My sister and a buddy of mine have the Q5 and A4 quattros. I do not doubt Audi’s have one of the very best drivetrains and AWD systems. But without going to technical fanboy about benz vs bmw vs audi, since this is just a lease forum, I disagree that the A4 ultra is “superior in every way”. Forget about the RWD/FWD drivetrain comparison for just a bit.
The A4 ultra is 190HP. It’s 0-60 is 7.1 seconds. That’s as slow as my '96 honda civic. The C300 is 0-60 in 6.1 seconds. If you ever have to pass people in LA traffic and what not, trust me, 1 second is a massive difference in the 0-60 window. That’s like 6-8 car lengths in a drag race. That alone is worth the premium.
I have considered A4’s and A5’s myself, but will never pay for a 190HP Audi. That’s just too slow for LA driving IMHO. The sweet spot is 250hp for cars weighing around 3350-3600lb for typical sports sedans. You can get away with 190hp if the car was in the 2700lb like a Mini Cooper. Those things are pocket rockets around town as I used to have one. Very fun.
Totally feel that and I thought the same exact thing, until I ended up driving one. You can’t tell it “only” has 192 horses under the hood. It’s also torque heavy.
I think a better comparison for the A4 Ultra is the new 2018 Accord 2.0T. The Honda has a lower MSRP by about 4K and performance just smokes the A4U. 0-60 in 5.8s, better lateral acceleration, more airbags, and 273-ftlb of torque if you like torque.
I like the Honda. It’s more space and more practical (against the A4 ultra). But yeah, some people like the badge. I get that too. Which is why, Benz.
I have not made one comment on this thread about any other vehicle other than the vehicle the OP is discussing and the lease pricing on that vehicle so I can utilize the info to structure my own lease. Isn’t that what this whole forum is about???
The OP even messaged me the final details of his/her deal which was helpful and conducive unlike your nazi posts.
I know a few optometrists if you need a referral. They tell me that when you spend too much time in front of a computer you can develop hyperopia.
Check your eyes, dummy. I was replying to mah4546. I mentioned you and wonkru just to remind you all to stay on topic. Then I told you to keep your “deals” in your thread.
mah was the one who baited me. I got sucked into it, defending the Benz a little bit. No hard feelings tho for everyone. If this thread is about deals, sometimes, it’s possible someone who is shopping for a C300 might cross-shop for a Audi A4.
Yes- please don’t think this will apply to a 2017 or a 2019 (which has not been released yet)
The selling price indicates a discount of about $2,000 below invoice minus incentives. I would assume the lease price is probably $3,000 higher. The equivalent APRs on the leases is much lower than the available APRs on purchases, although there aren’t acquisition or disposition fees on a purchase, just the comforting knowledge that you own the car for whatever its worth later on.
Not a single V90 T5 R-Design in stock in the entire United States, except two in Oklahoma City.
Not a single V90 T5 R-Design scheduled to be built assigned to any dealer in the western United States. There’s probably some that haven’t been assigned yet, but nothing in transit unless special ordered, which wouldn’t show on the locator.
Not ANY car is a better lease with a-plan, get it? Hence, my comment that only S90/V90. Make yourself clear and say “any V90”. A-plan only makes sense on these 2 models for both the customer and dealer, otherwise a-plan makes sense only for the dealer who gets 2% commission on every a-plan deal. So your persistence with a-plan for every Volvo in general only makes sense if you are a dealer, and I don’t believe you are. So help us, customers, to get best deals.
P.S. what if OP is open to ANY V90?
If you want to keep arguing, you’re going to keep losing the arguments and looking like a fool. I’m trying to be helpful here, but it seems like your mission is to try to dispute everything I say, no matter how trivial. The OPs post was on a 2018 T5 R-Design. A normal person in a place like this would assume we’re talking about 2018s and only an idiot would think that a similar deal can be had on a 2019. I say “any car” meaning any V90 and you have to be the correction police and “clarify” for all the helpless people here. I can sit here and split hairs on many posts you make, but I don’t do that.
I was referring to availability of V90s like the OP is interested in and said there aren’t any, and you have to dispute that, generalizing to all V90s nation wide. The OP is in NorCal, get it? Do you think he wants to chase down a 2019 somewhere for what will certainly be a much higher payment?
I don’t need to lectured by you about being clear. If a poster finds something unclear, they can ask. This is a forum, get it?
Please show me where I recommend A-Plan outside of S90/V90. I’m well aware that other models may have $750 and that’s not enough to overcome a mediocre dealer discount. With $3,000, I think A-Plan is hard to beat and a customer can have a lot more choices. I definitely mention A-Plan when someone is asking about an S90/V90 because it gets to hassle free pricing that is very difficult to get a dealer to go to. As I have mentioned before (more than once), since the dealer comes out good on it, getting them to write a lease at the buy rate and with the acquisition fee at $695 cost is much easier to achieve when the dealer is not completely gutted on the discount required to even get near A-Plan on an S90/V90. Get it?
You can think I’m not a dealer- I couldn’t care less.
If the OP is open to ANY V90, he can let us know. If he wants a deal, he’s going to need to stick with a 2018. Or do you want to continue proving your point that there are some 2019 V90s around in stock that are thousands of miles away and the wrong model?
Who’s an idiot here? Has it been released or not?
Besides, I did not specify which V90 nor did I say they are on dealers’ lots.
And yeah, you probably sold cars in the past, but not any more. You just have your old contacts at Volvo dealership. You are too sloppy with the info you provide for an active salesperson
You’re the idiot. You seemed to feel threatened by somebody that knows more about Volvo then you ever will and makes it your mission to seem superior by disputing every little thing that isn’t stated with with precision that covers every irrelevant contingency.
There are some 2019 V90s on dealer’s lots, but nothing matching the OP’s vehicle of interest in the western region. Why don’t you ask clarification questions instead of trying your best to discredit me every chance you get. Your assumptions, lack of common sense, and hostile behavior as a moderator here is shameful.
