Hilarious example of everything wrong with Porsche. Let me kiss my dealers butt enough to hope they will let me trade up . Hilarious that people will play these games and kowtow to dealers like this . There are other cars out there which are faster than a gt3 RS.
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Like what? GT3 RS has 6:44 ring time. Only vehicles with quicker ring time are AMG One and AMG GT Black Series. Not getting either of those for any less. GT2 will be nuts.
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Ring isn’t the only thing that matters. It’s just so pathetic rich people will go to such lengths to get specific models, spend a million bucks in a year with one dealer in the hope they decide to let you sit at their table. It’s like a 16 yr old kid doing the bully’s homework so they don’t beat you up , have some self respect.
And then keep the car on a trailer , just a real shame
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So if I have 100 people who want to buy this car, how do I decide who gets the 10-15 our dealer will get? Purchase history, locals only, largest ADM, highest spec, first come/first serve to just name a few methods? If you can answer that question without upsetting everyone else, Porsche dealers will be lining up to hire you as a GM.
I think it makes the most sense to first take care of our VIPs and long time clients. The ones who only buy Porsches from us, service them, trade them back in, send referrals, and come to our events. Then if there is anything left, offer it to local clients who will service with us, trade it in, etc. It is unfortunate when good clients aren’t able to get the car they want (trust me, I want to sell a $250k+ car), but it is the nature of the beast and up to Porsche to build more cars. And it doesn’t help when you run into dealers who simply take the 2-3 exclusive cars they get and basically auction them off when they arrive instead of letting their top clients build a car to their specs.
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Just feels like we are getting to a point of absolute ridiculousness , like these cars don’t cure cancer, they don’t save lives. They’re great cars but that has a limit. No instead let me let my dealer bend me over, buy a bunch of dumb overpriced watches, PPF and service plans , maybe a few macan and cayennes too so they will think I’m cool enough to drive their car.
Just is gross overall
You’re obviously not the right clientele for that class of vehicle then. I’m not extraordinarily rich by any means. But I do well enough, and my plan is to keep trading up 911’s until I get to GT3/GT2 territory. You talk about spending a million dollars with the dealer like you’re giving them $1M for the privilege of buying a car - which is kinda the case, but also not really. You’re buying other cars and trading them. Typically cars that don’t lose that much money in the grand scheme of things. So - if you’re trying to get a GT3 RS for MSRP that instantly has $150k of equity or more, then yeah, you’ll need to burn some money for the honor. You can definitely skip the line, pay ADM or what they go for on the used market and enjoy your car if you don’t want to deal with that BS. But you can buy a C2, trade it for a C2S, trade that for a Targa GTS, trade that for a GT3, which you trade for a GT3 RS, which you trade for a GT2 RS, etc. Will you lose money on some of those trades, yes. Will you blow $150k doing it - no - and you got to enjoy driving a fantastic car the whole time rather than waiting years to finally get down the list.
I’ve been on the list for a Z06 for I don’t even know how long, but probably a year and half going onto 2 years. No end in sight. They might stop making the Z06 before I ever get one. Honestly - if I do get one, I will buy it, but if I don’t love it more than the 911 I have at that time, I’ll flip it pretty quickly.
I waited 2.5 years to get my base model Bronco - it came, I bought it, but the wait was long and excruciating that not only was I no longer excited about it, I was kinda over it. I still have it for now, but will likely be selling it in the next few weeks and using the profits to help bridge the gap on my next 911.
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This is the way. I can’t tell you how many people I see drive these cars for “free” with their only costs being insurance, gas, and maintenance. Most of our used GT cars are just people cycling from one to the next.
How should a dealer decides who gets a limited car when demand way exceeds production? The person who is going to continue being a patron of their business or a one-time sale?
And it’s okay if it’s not the brand for you. Other manufactures make amazing cars that you can walk in a buy. But no one wants an Omega when you can have a Rolex.
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Well, some kinda do.
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Lol. Not the way I would have put it, but summer and winter rubber is absolutely the way to go here- it’s literally law in Germany, and once you’ve played on real winter rubber you’ll realize there’s a whole different dimension out there…
Pretty clear: OP should get a 992 S/ GTS and just take the deserved depreciation hit. You’ll have owned a 911, congrats.
If, on the other hand, you were a friend of mine I’d make you try a 991.1 GT3 with nose lift and a set of winters and summers you swap every spring and fall. And by “try” I don’t mean toddle, I mean find a tunnel and spin the dial to 9000 RPM in first and second. If you still came back complaining about the lack of torque or dated interior it’s pretty simple: we’d no longer be friends…
If we were still friends on the other hand you’d own a car that would appreciate rather than depreciate long term, would be far more capable in both winter and summer than a 4WD 992 on all season rubber, and would be far closer to timeless than any of the options I’m seeing listed here.
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Yup - honestly never thought I’d be at the point where I could’ve even entertained this back when we first met on ICS. I’ve thought of doing a 991.2 GT3, but I want something that’s still a good daily for now. I figure by the time I work through the list and can get a GT3 or similar, I’ll have enough money to swing a crazy car for Sunday Drives and different one for during the week.
And agreed - it’s the same reason I have a rolex (even though it’s just a datejust) I like things that don’t depreciate and are good quality/luxury and I’m ok with spending more money upfront if it won’t lose as much later on. That’s why I’ve moved on from BMW’s (well now that they lease like shit).
Kinda Off Topic: I can’t see myself buying any of these newer luxury cars from BMW/MB/Audi - they just don’t feel special or really luxurious with those huge tacky screens everywhere. I’d lease one if the price was really right, but chances are that won’t happen in the near future. Whatever, I’m happy enough driving a used Cayenne GTS right now and will swap it out at some point for an E55 or E63 or XJR or Bentayga or something. I found if you buy a 6+ year old vehicle, keep it less than a year and you won’t lose much if anything when it comes to depreciation.
Here come the wHaT iF SomEtHiNg gOeS wRonG wItH iT?!
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and the beatdown you take on sales tax in one year of ownership.
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Have you spent time in a 991.2 GT3? I see comments here suggesting it’s a chiropractor’s wet dream but I feel like these are from people that either haven’t driven them or live in Northern Canada (or Michigan) with the worst roads imaginable. Or maybe we’re just calibrated completely differently?
I’ve done a 3500 mile road trip with my wife (think Princess and the Pea) in a 991.2 GT3 and it was 99% good to very good while the rest was legit passable (even the parts where we were jumping curbs in Yellowstone chasing bears using nose-lift). Depreciation and gas mileage/ carbon impact are legit reasons not to daily a GT3 in my mind, but comfort? Highlight of my day on more days than I’d rather admit assuming the traffic’s not overwhelming.
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I don’t pay sales tax! Problem solved. I just drive cars on dealer plates.
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I haven’t driven a GT3, I’m sure it’s fantastic, although I do live in NJ with our notoriously shitty roads. I’m sure it’ll be comfortable enough, and I’ll have one of those and maybe an older exotic a la Gallardo or 360 or F430. With a manual of course…or a 3rd gen Viper if I decide to be cheap, and have a deathwish…
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@li8625 could be you in CA but you playing
Oooh! Beautiful garage!