I’m just saying for the average driver. The average driver will do everything better in the new m240i vs the 15 year old porsche. He’ll be able drive faster, be safer, be more comfortable, more practical etc. Look man, I love BMWs but the 911 cabriolet is my dream car. I’ve wanted one since 2010. Since before I got my license.
You are completely missing the point, which is that there is a certain feeling to driving an older car. It could be psychological, such as being your childhood dream car, or the old “they don’t make them like they used to” feeling. And they have a more purer driving experience that is mostly unadulterated by driving aids, tech, etc. There is a reason that a 1960s Ferrari 250 GTO sells for $70+ million but has the same 0-60 time as an Acura MDX. And I say this as someone who does not like to drive older cars.
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I agree there is value there with the sentimental/nostalgia and that newer isn’t automatically better, think someone would be far smarter to buy a new 718 than that 911 which as you know is still a pretty pure experience free from aids and etc. 70k for that car is a sucker imo.
Obviously subjective.
I drove a 2014 and hated the inside.
Actually I didn’t really enjoy driving it either. 
You really have to smack the %#^%% around to get it to move.
(I believe I drove an S).
Edit, yes. It was an S. In 2020.
2014 would be a 991. Completely different experience to the 997.
Most in the Porsche scene consider the 997 the last true analog 911.
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That is the market for them and that is a clean example. We just sold a 2010 Carrera 4 Cab with 44k miles for $64k. $71k for that car is a good price.
Good god, then I can’t imagine the interior on anything older. I thought they were of the same generation.
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I agree with this - to a point. The '09 in question is a model that I drove when we picked up a e93 M3 instead. Unlike the 930 '88 slantnose cabriolet I was lucky enough to drive (and not buy 
), it did not feel that special and was eclipsed by the e93.
Buyers are generally not purchasing these to drive them.
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Can’t fault that decision. E9x generation M3’s are BMW at it’s pinnacle. Before the bean counters took over and EPA regs rained havoc. No better BMW to have top down experience in and listen to the glorious S65 V8.
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I think F80 to G80 is really where the bean counters took hold, even 2022 to 2023 G80.
I haven’t posted about it much on here but I did just get a '23 G80.
Having had an F80 in 2018, it’s clear where certain things are lacking. The base price went up, a lot, probably still not as much as inflation, but regardless, it did go up a hefty amount. No more CF strut brace, carbon fiber interior trim, which is signature for the M3, also now costs money versus being the free and standard option, and a whole lot of other little things. The center console layout for manual trans is an afterthought, and it gets cheap soft black matte plastic versus the automatic which has a nicely finished gloss black.
The other thing that really really makes me wish I could have gotten a 2022: The lack of physical buttons. Everything is on the touch screen, including heated seats and basic climate controls, and that REALLY annoys me. I don’t think it’s just because they are “following the trend”, just imagine how much money they’re saving on every 3 series now where they don’t need to produce an independent climate control panel. If it saves them $50 bucks a car over however many, it’s an insane amount of money overall.
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How long does it take to order the 911 GTS?
Depends how much over. Throw enough $$ at it and you can get it yesterday
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We are 3-4 years right now.
Taking it one step further, think about the cost savings as that iDrive screen is utilized amongst the entire model lineup. Same goes for the center stack/console insert. A supply chain directors wet dream and the nothing but praise from the bean counters. Hardly anything is unique anymore.
Fully agree with the frustration due to lack of physical buttons. Insanely annoying. Miss the quick powertrain/suspension/steering hard buttons too. Too many modes in the G80.
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All manufacturers guilty of this. As a kid there used to be something special about a top of the line bmw, mercedes, audi because they not only had different exteriors, but also elevated and much different interiors compared to their 3 series equivalent. Now it’s largely all the same parts slapped across the models which is a shame. Good $$ savings for the manufacturer, but a shame for the consumer.
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While we’re all dreaming, I saw this beautiful Aventurine Green on Truffle Brown manual 992 S pop up for sale 
https://www.driveadream.com/used/Porsche/2022-Porsche-911-6bb0965c0a0e081d112f0f569244d999.htm
But until prices come down, I’ll keep driving my thiccc 911.
That’s definitely going to be a 992.2. What state is your store in?
My biggest gripes with the G80 as well, lack of buttons drove me absolutely nuts. Everything else was fantastic. Still think a carefully specced G80 is a performance bargain.
BMW does do a fantastic job of the interior, it’s only like $2500 or something for full Merino. Meanwhile Porsche will happily give you a rubber dash on a $120k car.
Steering feel on the G80 vs the 992 isn’t even a comparison though, and while the Porsche interior isn’t as advanced, it has physical buttons exactly where you need them
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NA v8 was a thing of beauty.
I would take an e93 (~40k) over that 997 (~70k). If things were inverse, it would be a different story.
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Really? Any reason why to skip the deviated seat centers? They look beautiful in pictures in the above specs and really make the interior stand out.