The first one, more believable, takes a little bit more effort to forge a lease worksheet - and they want you to beat it.
The second one is 100% BS. I can change fonts and make some random numbers up too. Also, who gets a unicorn deal then asks someone to match it? If it’s a unicorn, I don’t care if the salesman is Satan himself.
I love when they forward the email from another dealer and say to match it but forget to change the font of the edit that they made. C’mon people! Make it believable.
Then when you tell them it’s a great deal and they should take it, they say, “but I want to give you the business because I like you”. Bruh, you spoke to me once on the phone to give me this BS number…
Why don’t you just beat it? I don’t understand. It HAS to be real, right? I mean, it’s on the internet! No one can lie on the internet. It’s like a law.
Plus, they’re doing YOU a favor by giving YOU the business!
Let’s be honest, you create this environment and then complain about it?
With all of the tricky claims in advertising, like zero down, but that is NOT zero DAS and lease this car for $99/month etc. it is no wonder people try to low ball you.
Most, if not everyone here probably got burnt at one time buying or leasing a car and now they are trying to educate themselves so they can fare a little better next time. I’m not talking about the experts, but the lurkers and “newbies”.
Just look at all of the “bad” deals posted, here. It is a testament to how dealers operate. I know, I know not all dealers do that, well most do and the rep is well deserved.
Sorry if this isn’t the popular view here, but I am sure many feel the same way. Without transparency there will never be trust on either side.
If this is your profession, why talk about customers like this? If you don’t want the deal, just pass. Part of doing business.
I get what you’re saying - dealers can be scumbags, but so can consumers. There’s a way to negotiate a good price or even a unicorn, lying or being unreasonable is not the way to go about it.
As far as dealers taking people for rides - there is a right way and a wrong way. Lying about incentives to disguise them as discounts is one of them. But if you’re in the business of selling cars and you have uneducated buyers willing to pay more than what experienced consumers pay - more power to the dealer! You can’t expect EVERY deal to be a mini for the salesman.
I have a coworker paying 900 bucks for a x5 40i - she even put money down. I think the dealer did a good job making money. She got burned because she didn’t do her due diligence.
The difference between the advertising that dealers do and this is that the dealers follow the letter of the law. Are those screamer ads arguably shady and misleading and impossible to actually get most of the time? Yep. But it is legal and they are allowed to do it - there is no gray area. Dealers are fined if they screw up and don’t honor it.
Manipulating an offer of sale to be different in order to get a dealer to agree to ones numbers pushes into a moral gray area that I just don’t have an appetite for.
I would have personally sent my friend to @BMW_Dave - but let’s be honest, if she walked in to any dealer willing to pay 900 for a base X5, they’d be stupid not to oblige!