It’s ok though, this one has a Reuters URL.
@Jrouleau426 should’ve posted this one, although I’m still personally offended that there are gender specific pronouns 
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I don’t think they are used to being called out.
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Do the diono seats latch in tightly? I can’t even get a booster seat into middle of my 5 series, with two diono seats on outside.
They are on seatbelts without latch
Quick Question everyone… I put in my order for the jeep a couple of months back. Does anyone know how to check the status on the build with my VIN number? I know there is a website but I’m not able to find it on the thread. Thank You.
The best reason to get an EV is something called “global warming”.
As far as financials are concerned, with the federal tax credit and state incentives, they are usually competitive or cheaper than ICE cars, especially in the current car price environment. My Mach-e will be around $500/ month for 36 months when tax credit figured in.
Well i see your main reason of global warming is mostly virtual signaling. To me that speaks volumes since its not because of a real defined advantage of an EV that screams 'I must have one! As far as performance goes, yes they are fast but for the driving that moat people do that is a generally impractical advantage. I’m looking for an inherent advantage of an EV over an ICE that i have not seen yet that makes it worth the cost.
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EVs are better for the environment. Our planet needs all the help it can get. “Virtue signaling” is just another republican catchphrase to make sure nothing ever gets done to solve any real problem ever.
I outlined the financial case for EVs as have lots of other people here, from tax credits to lower maintenance to more efficiencies.
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you “global warming” folks are lacking critical thinking. Just like the mention of republicans, lack of seeing the bigger picture. There is no good team bad team, it’s all the same BS. There is nothing you, the government or anyone on the planet, can do about the change in climate, outside of believing nonsense to make yourself feel good.
The EV battery packs require heavy old school industrial production with rare metals and oil based ingredients. The “climate damage” done at production of that battery pack exceeds many years of exhaust from an average ICE vehicle. The total dependence on production and acquisition of lithium and other metals that are MINED via old school “dirty” methods and transported via DIRTY transport ships. Battery packs need to be replaced after a certain amount if cycles.
The electricity is mostly generated via DIRTY methods at the powerplants, not by unicorn farts.
The US grid is at capacity as is and the investments for total elctirfication are staggering.
An average gas station serves 4000 cars per 24hours, if you take all of them in the country.
To match this capacity of total EVfication, EVERY station in the country needs 20-30 Superchargers and consumption of 30megawatts PER DAY at an average investment cost of 20mil per gas station.
EVERY SINGLE station in US.
ALL industry and transportation is based on diesel, there is no way to avoid this short term.
So yeah, drive what you want, just stop trying to persuade others that whatever view makes you feel good about yourself is the ABSOLUTE truth.
Critical thinking, checking the facts and basic math are the best friends today. Turn the TV off.
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What is it about this thread that triggers people so much? Peak insanity was mid January by the way.
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There’s nothing anyone can do about global warming?
Kinda pointless to engage with such sad nonsense. Beware of people asking you to “check your facts” while spewing fact challenged crap.
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I brought facts to the table. Completely apolitical. Like the whole volcanic activity all over the world in the recent years has nothing to do with carbon emmisions. In fact any one of such eruptions brings tremendous pollution that is sigmas above whatever ICE vehicles emmit in years. And humans have nothing to do with these eruptions as far as causation.
Anyone can verify the numbers independently and run the math as well. Not trying to derail the topic at all. Be open to alternative views on the subject and not follow the mainstream narrative.
To be on the topic subject, looking at the retail side my 19 X5 is signifantly less in demand and price in the last 3 months. I would make the call that by the end of this year, the car market will be the least of our concerns, along with the nominal pricing.
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No they really aren’t.Do you have hard data to back that up? A vast majority of EVs are charged with coal. In addition the mining for most of the metals that are in batteries are done in countries with zero emissions regulations. How are they better for the environment?
Virtue signaling is a term for when people do something that makes them feel better with no actual facts or data that proves what they are doing is better. It isn’t a political term and this discussion has nothing to do with politics. This is about hard data.
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/05/15/are-electric-cars-worse-for-the-environment-000660/
The article you’re posting is written by a climate denier who works for an institution financed by the fossil fuel industry. His “conclusions” are unscientific and biased.
Every actual scientific study comes to the same result: EVs are vastly greener than even the most efficient ICE vehicles and mass adaptation would lead to massively reduced greenhouse gas emissions.
But of course that won’t happen very fast because our government isn’t doing enough to make it happen. See BBB which died in Congress and would have provided billions of dollars for electrification.
The only kernel of truth in this article is that in some areas of the US where electricity is produced 100% by coal fired plants, a very efficient ICE car like a Toyota Corolla will do better than an EV. Thankfully, there are not a lot of these areas left. My state is 80% renewable for instance.
This line of arguing anyway should lead to the conclusion that we need to make a complete switch to renewable energy (entirely possible if we had the will to do so) and not that we shouldn’t support EVs.
No you may send us a message or text and we will send over cars that fit your need/budget.
Nice. Thanks for the details.
How much is the shipping cost you are paying (dealer to CA)?
Awesome Jeep!
Do you mind sharing the details about total drive off, monthly payment and shipping cost you paid? Thanks.
I’m not so sure why everyone is solely fixated on EVs as the solution. Synthetic gasoline/fuels represent a great opportunity to be “cleaner” while allowing the industry and consumers to work within the existing ICE production model. There should be a parallel focus on making ICE fuels more environmentally friendly and developing EVs.
I’m leasing an EV right now, and it’s not a great experience. The product is generally fine, but the infrastructure, and public charging costs, are not. Regardless of my greenhouse gas footprint, which is way too esoteric for me to care about, frankly, the reality of EV ownership isn’t convenient. For many, their income, location, and use case make it untenable. In the real world, that’s what matters.
Total drive off was the $500 initial deposit to the dealer at the time of ordering. Monthly comes out to $436 including tax. This one is $65150 MSRP pre price bump…$67,910 now. Rubicon with steel bumpers, cold weather, tow, safety, adv safety, gorilla glass, all weather mats, body color fender, premium softtop, and OWL tires. Shipping to Los Angeles was $1,200…guy picked it up Saturday from the Southern dealer and it got here Monday.