True…this year being the exception…so we will be able to compare some numbers this summer.
Are you insane? The truth is millions upon millions will die of starvation alone. Then add in suicides, substance abuse, addiction, child abuse, lost health insurance, missed cancer screenings and on and on. The lock down is the single most deadly thing to happen to the world since ww2
Incorrect. Mortality rate is based on deaths divided by total infections. Infection rate is what you’re thinking about.
…divorce, porn abuse, netflix addiction, Trump press conferences, that thing they do when they lay on a beach towel and stare at the sun…i can go on forever! This thing will KILL you…or the other thing will…you choose.
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I hope you’re joking.
That’s for 2017. You’re somehow going to pin the blame on stay at home or social distancing in the last 6 weeks when the numbers look like that from 3 years ago? 47k suicides, but now the lockdowns get all the blame. Millions of people starve around the world - covid lockdowns or not, and certainly not in numbers to be even INCLUDED in the CDC cause of death statistics for the US. There’s a huge difference between food insecurity and actually dying from starvation.
75 million people died in WW2. You’re going to have one hell of a time proving that the lockdowns are killing that many people.
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First of all, I said “since” not more than ww2. Secondly, I stand by it. Millions of people will die of starvation because of this. Millions more will die of conflicts to arise due to this. Millions more will suffer but not die.
And to address your previous post about measles and TB being more contagious, you’re correct. Their R0 (R naught) numbers are significantly higher than COVID-19. But you’re missing key points:
Measles was largely eradicated in the US until the antivaxxers decided to stop vaccinating (don’t even get me started on that). And the vaccine lasts a lifetime in over 95% of vaccinated people.
TB has well established treatments that significantly improve mortality rates. It’s easy to spot with PPDs, chest X-rays, and quantiferon blood tests that are widely available in any lab or hospital.
The problem with COVID-19 is it’s new. We do not have a vaccine, symptoms vary from completely asymptomatic to severe, and the disease course is frightening.
It’s anecdotal, but I just had a patient die of COVID-19 last night. He was walking to the restroom, talking to his nurses and doctors, and his oxygen saturations were very good, though he required supplemental oxygen to maintain that. None of his labs showed anything too concerning in terms of sepsis or distributive shock. 1 hour later we’re taking his body down to the morgue and telling his brother over the phone that he passed away.
To be honest, the disease course is stunning. Of the covid deaths I’ve personally seen, these people aren’t just decompensating. They’re literally dropping dead.
And it’s not as easy as intubating patients and giving ventilator support. And as we’re seeing studies from the U.K. with a cohort of 3800 ICU patients, they’re reporting about a 66% mortality rate of COVID-19 ventilated patients (n=around 1000). That’s a huge jump from a typical viral pneumonia ventilator mortality rate of 35% from 2017-2019.
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/c31dd38d-d77b-ea11-9124-00505601089b
Honestly, we used to just intubate patients in the past with hypoxic respiratory failure, but with the slew of poor outcomes, our ER and ICU teams have been reluctant to intubate COVID-19 patients.
There’s mulling around the medical community that we need to change the way we ventilate these patients or that we need to change our thinking fundamentally about whether we even put them on a ventilator to give them a fighting chance.
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Have fun standing by that comment. Over 20,000 people die a day of starvation in this world. Almost 10 million a year. Before COVID-19. You’re saying millions of people will die additionally because of this pandemic? What about all the causes of starvation before COVID-19: poverty, lack of infrastructure and support, war and conflict, poor nutrition, discrimination, etc. Are you just going to forget about these problems and blame it on the pandemic?
Actually, Beasley states 300,00 could die a day because of this. That’s 110 million people a year. Where is this number coming from?
Seriously, what the hell am I still doing up? I should probably sleep for my shift tonight, and admit I got majorly trolled. 
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The issue that I think many have is that as a society, no one did. There are certain realities in society that lead to people dying and absolutionist policies only work if you ignore reality.
I’ve heard many people (not in this thread, but in other circles) criticize discussions about opening things back up and claiming that we need to stay shut down until there is zero chance of covid spread. The whole “if it saves one life” argument. That’s great in the land of magical thinking, but it just doesn’t work.
Mind you, those same people then go and get in their vehicle and drive places. If we subscribed to “if it saves one life”, vehicles wouldn’t be allowed on the roads.
There is policy being made based on incomplete data. The models are constantly being proven wrong. That’s not to say that an initial dramatic reaction wasn’t justified given the knowledge available at the moment, but as models are updated, it’s important that policy decisions are made based on that, not on “must do the opposite of what the orange man suggests because anything he suggests is wrong.”
It would also help if the current restrictions didn’t appear to be just pulled out of someone’s ass.
Here in CA, for example, alcohol sales are considered essential, but AA meetings have been shut down. How do restrictions like that help anyone?
If we actually did a true lockdown, we could get it to zero. It’s too late now, we just have to accept the fact that it will be around us. It still doesn’t mean we should be reckless and not protect ourselves. Proper hygiene, social distancing and masks will help. Even if we are over this wave now, it will come back again in the winter, just part of the norm. This shelter in place is like a reset button for everyone to get ready for what’s coming, thank you China for hiding it. Hubin is having an outbreak like Wuhan, let’s see how long they are going to hide that for.
My wife’s friend lives with her extended and family together. Her brother got the virus grocery shopping and have spread it to nearly everyone in the house, most don’t have symptoms except the 1 yo that has a fever. While they are concern, but they are still doing the same as they did last week. They are going out to grocery stores and think everything is fine. This whole idea of a silent carrier doesn’t seem to ring a bell for some people.
Perhaps, but a true 100% lockdown is not possible and would have much more severe repercussions.
yup, we are not prepared enough. we have cases here that were likely from grocery shopping.
we are just fuked regardless.
That’s not true. Markets, which sell groceries and possibly alcohol too, are considered essential. But that doesn’t mean alcohol sales are considered essential.
Ummm, no. Liquor only stores are considered essential businesses, not just markets that happen to sell liquor.
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This thread has outlived its useful life. Too much vulgarity and personal attacks in the last several posts.
Done and done.
