Feds bust top vehicle seller in rebate fraud


“no incentives or rebates may be added”…

Season 5 Episode 3 GIF by Living Single

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Wow. Surprised that the Feds got involved with this!

I think everyone from our area has been aware of this scheme for years. It’s always the Chaldeans, which I was never even aware was an actual place until I moved to SE MI :laughing: I know how tightly FCA tries to control the numbers especially in the last couple years. I know of several employees who have been fired for it.


Wonder why the FEDs are involved. He was selling his corporate discounts right? that’s not really fed territory.

And technically he was selling the cars above cost. So FCA wasn’t losing right?

EP is below Invoice - they want all they allocated money back I’d bet. I’d also bet it was FCA that requested the gov’t look into it.

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So what, people buy cars all the time BELOW invoice.
It’s Below Cost that will change the game.

All FCA has on this guy is he gave ‘unauthorized discount codes’. I don’t see FED involvement.

Read the story.


Maybe you read a different story than I did, he sold the codes. Wire Fraud is a bit reaching of a charge.

Seem to fit to me.

The U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Resource Manual Section 941.18 U.S.C. 1343 cites these as the key elements of wire fraud: “1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or participated in a scheme to defraud another out of money; 2) that the defendant did so with the intent to defraud; 3) that it was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used; and 4) that interstate wire communications were in fact used.”

I think a couple certain Mercedes dealerships may be up next :thinking:

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Honestly this guy has $$$ he will get a lawyer and get out of that charge. It’s too weak.
Now if he gave the cars FREE, then yes, FCA and the FEDS have lots to get him on. If he stole the cars, yes. But he basically took a bunch of coupons off the management desk and sold them cars. This IMHO is not going to stick.

I don’t think you understand what is going on because it was not just taking coupon codes and using them. Other FCA employees sold their codes to him, which he then used to give people deals they should not have access to or qualify for. This is directly defrauding the manufacturer since that money comes directly from them and is not intended to be used outside of the pretty clear cut employee program. I think the $8.7 million seems a but high, but I don’t think he will get off with nothing.

This is the same as manager giving everyone BMW loyalty even if they don’t qualify for it.



This is FCA sending a message.

I bet the total of all stolen codes is 100x what this one Chaldean mafioso did.

Yup , still taking Coupons Codes off the desk.
Let me restate it. This is a CIVIL matter between him and FCA, not a Federal Criminal matter.
FCA did not lose money (though they lost profit), and he used a valid channel to get these codes. (Contrary to FCA policy)

No one was harmed in this scheme except for FCA. That’s why I am surprised the FEDs are involved. I don’t see this as a criminal issue, I see it as a civil issue.

No different than a Hacker asking for BMW OL Codes or someone getting rebates to double stack. He took advantage of the system and made some bank. He should lose his FCA dealership for this, but Federal? I don’t think so.

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if it crossed state lines, doesn’t it automatically become a federal case?

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This is probably the only reason the FEDs are involved. Otherwise I still see it as a civil issue. Hence why I’m thinking he will beat these charges easy.

So, clearly, you don’t have a legal degree or any expertise in this field. We got your input and your opinion. There’s no need to shout it over and over again.

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So it’s ok to rebutt me and claim I’m wrong and I’m not allowed to answer? Pretty low dude