Hyundai enhanced their RV/MF yesterday for Ioniq 5/6. With 10%+ off, $10k incentive, payments in $200’s.
What is worse than selling EVs for loss? Leasing EVs for pennies on the dollar…then getting that EV back as a 24month lease return and selling it for a loss.
They certainly are not arbitrary to the manufacturers. Most of those msrp’s are already at a loss, before discounts/incentives.
Gas does better. Diesel is effectively no longer sold in the US. Hydrogen has the same situation as EVs where the incentives thrown at new purchases make it insane to even consider buying used.
say what??
Diesel trucks hold their value far better than almost all gas, hybrid and electric vehicles.
only truck and only HD trucks (with the exception of GM 1500s) - when was the last time any sedan was sold with a small diesel engine
i would definitely snag a 3er Diesel for daily driver. drove on i think it was 2014 or 16 and it had plenty of power for daily needs and super fuel efficient
The cheaper the better. Why tf do I care whether the bank makes a loss on it.
Show of hands anyone who cared about the banks’ losses on all your prior ICE cars
could be a potential loss write off for the bank
I got an itch for a Cummins, but diesel is like $1.25 more per gallon here. I can’t justify it
We’re go to need the Mods to create a Diesel Landfill thread just to clean up the environmental damage being caused in this thread…
We have one, 3rd/4th car only though and not a DD.
I used R99 bio diesel. 
I have a small fleet of diesel semi trucks and an F350 for myself. But I am putting solar on my home, so I figured we are good with carbon credits…
Yes. The diesel pages for the Big 3 on FB Marketplace and CL are full of high-value used rigs that sell pretty quickly.
I’ve done it. Don’t be me. I had to be towed off a bridge at 1 in the morning with 3 kids in the car.
So even with solar and battery backup, in California EV is going to be an even harder sell with NEM 3.0, PG&E (and others) raising rates (20% already this year and another 20% possibly this year as well).
https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/pge-electricity-bill-rate-18649513.php
"Northern Californians are paying more per unit of electricity than almost anywhere else in the country. Here’s what’s going on.
Q: How much did PG&E bills just go up?
A: Pacific Gas and Electric Co. residential electricity rates rose by about 20% on Jan. 1. The rate increase added about $34.50 to monthly bills for typical households (which use about 500 kilowatts of electricity each month), according to the company’s estimates. That’s about $414 more per household for all of 2024 compared to last year.
The increase was approved in November, and much of it will go toward modernizing PG&E’s gas and electric infrastructure to withstand storms and wildfires. It also will help PG&E prepare for the rising demand for electricity as people shift away from gas-powered appliances and vehicles.
This jump comes amid a decade of rising utility bills: The combined monthly electricity and gas bill for the typical household has risen from $154.52 in January 2016 to $294 in January 2024, according to data from PG&E.
Q: Will electricity rates rise again soon?
A: Bills could rise again later this year with another pending rate increase on top of the 20% boost implemented in January.
State regulators are considering a smaller rate increase for PG&E, which would add another $14 to $15 to average monthly residential bills for 12 months. This temporary rate hike would allow the company to recover expenses already paid to respond to emergencies, including 15 major storms that hit Northern California last winter. Each year, investor-owned utilities like PG&E can apply to recover extra expenses paid that year, such as storm or fire response — so it is likely that PG&E will request another temporary rate increase in the future to pay for this winter’s storms."
Legislators finally taking action:
Going to be tough to meet the EV goals in the future in California at this clip.
Carwow drove them a few miles past zero
