thank you
To me its like hostage and money exchange. Who has to sign first lol
When all else fails, lowball. Eventually someone will say yes.
Will they? The last few months I’ve been completely ghosted by every dealer I’ve attempted to low ball. Maybe I just haven’t low balled enough dealers 
Low-balling is a dangerous sport. I personally found that the rare acceptance isn’t worth the occasional credibility loss and perceived disrespect.
Sure there’s a possibility I’m just not that good at the sport…
I may have a fake email that I use specifically for low balling 
Ugh did I accidentally low ball you too 
lol - No but you did blowout some dealer w/ EP monies some time back.
Hah. Serious question - are you finding negotiating any differently recently?
I’m beginning to feel like I’m trying to sell THEM something. Very poor communication and almost no back and forth. More of a ‘here’s our number, take it or leave it’.
Best prices up-front? The thing customer have wanted since cars were built?? How dare they.
It just sounds like no one wants to make a deal lately. Getting crap offers over and over. Gotta make those profits
Best price is subjective.
What is best price for dealer is not necessarily the best price for me.
In this context I assumed best price meant the lowest the dealer will go before telling you to kick rocks.
A sale is made on every call. Who’s buying?
I’ve had a Sales Manager tell me in straightest face that MSRP is the best price. And I had to agree that in fact it was the best price for them.
I’ve never been dumb or naive enough to ask for a ‘best offer’. Best is relative. Every dealer has a different cost structure and different business practices and different motivations.
Also not the guy above trying to get 24% and looking gift horses in the mouth.
I’m running into walls negotiating what I consider to be very mediocre deals. Very reasonable counters are ignored, there’s little to no follow up from sales people once I reject the initial offer, and I’m left feeling like they must not really need to sell any cars or connect to any serious buyers. The auto market is sagging so the attitude I’ve seen the last few weeks is surprising to me, that’s all. Maybe it’s a regional thing or just the dealers I’ve worked with so I’m curious if anyone else has noticed a shift in the last few weeks/months.
It’s the beginning of the quarter but that’s usually something the manufacturer is more worried about… But yes, I’ve noticed this too. Perhaps preemptive bracing for the usual end of year bloodletting.