Tesla competition

either way prices are getting closer to model Y when you consider federal tax rebates for audi and not for tesla, plus some discounts of msrp that aren’t (normally) available for teslas. You give up range and charging network but get a little build quality / better looks. For a second family car as a commuter vehicle, the range and charging network are unimportant. Forget the fact that etrons have been and will likely continue to lease better than model Y/3s

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Oh did they go the decontent route? That’s always great

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Yeah premium plus was well equipped with B&O sound, vented seats, 360 camera, etc. Would be silly to think Audi would just slash it without decontenting.

Reminds me of Cadillac and their insane pricing mistake on the ELR (I owned a VERY rare 2016 Sport)

Two model years, two diff pricing schemes.

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This has promise. I can’t wait to drive one of these.

That I did not know. What was the verdict on the gen1 voltec platform rebadged into a Caddy?

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Once they fixed it for 2016 and squeezed more power and range it was fantastic. Would still have it today if not for bad DFW drivers ignoring traffic signals.

I made money on that car when it got totaled.

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the most honorable death any car can give its human: taken too soon, leaving behind no negative equity and some :moneybag::moneybag: for pain & suffering

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And a rental 4cv for 3 months at no cost to me. It wasn’t totaled because of damage, parts not being available to repair is what did it in ultimately…

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My topic was closed for some reason even though it didn’t appear a duplicate of anything, so I’ll drop this here.

The Tesla Y is now available to lease. As an example, $50k sticker is $1371 DAS, $676/mo+tax. Not the greatest deal but better than some eTron quotes I’ve seen.

Considering that’s almost as high as a retail payment on it and you dont even have the option to buy out at end of lease, it’s a garbage deal.

Tesla is one of few brands where buying is better.

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Yes, buying is the way to go if you have your heart set on a Tesla, no argument there.

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There are no 50k etrons !!! How can you compare them together ?

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In general no, but that’s how you get a great deal. This guy paid $47k for his after incentives:

But seriously most etron deals posted here are better than leasing a Tesla. I was talking about the ‘worst deals’ where if you don’t know what you are doing and get taken advantage of by a dealer you may be paying more than $1000/mo.

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Not bad for a $100k* electric car.

  • Estimated pricing for a “fully loaded” model.
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looks promising and potentially a great looking sedan.

Now they need to offer ridiculous leases on this like Audi and Chevy and the cars will fly off the shelf

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Great start for Lucid, hopefully this will finance their expansion into more affordable models.

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Define “ridiculous leases,” because not everyone can afford a 500/mo payment. And then there are those misers that can afford it, but have no intention of spending that much on a car payment.

This isn’t going to be a 300/mo payment. They aren’t going to survive if they give away the farm. Audi or Chevy can afford to take a loss on a car with having many other models to supplement that loss. Lucid won’t be in that position.

I’ll bring up the 1% rule (danger!), Tesla and Polestars are sitting around 1.3%, and we all know it’s not a good lease. I’m thinking @HackLessee is thinking <1% (or better) to bring the lease payment under $1000/mo.

~500 a month would make it a mass market leasing option. It’s not about everyone affording it, it’s about having demand well beyond your current supply potential even if you’re burning cash. Tesla has wiped the floor with other manufacturers this way, eating their sales, stock prices and profits while not making much themselves but making all their shareholders rich. Cash is effectively limitless for a company with exponential sales growth

No it wouldn’t. I can afford a 500/mo payment, and I’ve never been close to it. I surely wouldn’t lease this “just because” either. I am definitely not alone either. I like cars…I like money more.

I can assure you, mass market cars like a Honda or Toyota aren’t leasing for 500/mo. They aren’t the cheapest option, but they aren’t 500 either with someone with half a brain.

Outside of CA, the demand isn’t there yet In the US. Tesla has the advantage of being the only real game in town up to this point. They’ve taken market share, sure, but it’s still negligible. In other words, none of the big boys are going out of business because of Tesla yet. Infrastructure needs to build outside of CA before people start dropping their ICE cars en masse.