hey could you share the dealership you got this deal from?
Hey, could you share the dealership info? Thanks!
Hey, could you share the dealership info with me as well? Thanks!
can you please send me the spreadsheet
thanks, Ken
Hello,
Sorry for asking here, but how can I post my Lease Listing?
Hello, would love some help on how to post a lease transfer on this forum. Please let me know.
do you specialize only on BMW?
I question your assertion that using a reverse auction with dealers is in some way unethical. Of course, you may not like when people do it, but I would not say its unethical.
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Say someone (or many someones) needed you to completely breakdown your business model and profit margins (as if itâs their right to know this information), then require you to get rid of all of that said profit because of the allure of potentially making a sell and when you oblige, they take that information and go to someone else more convenient to them, for them to either match the deal or maybe beat it by a very insignificant amount, and all that information and guidance you gave was free assistance, because your time meant nothing to the client.
And if you donât give in and do all this, you are labeled sleazy, shady, etc, person who works at a car âstealershipâ
I know that this is the nature of the business now and it is what it is, but regardlessâŚwhat you consider this ethical?
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What you say makes sense here, but I think you need to take two pieces into consideration.
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Dealerships are by nature (as you insinuated) - not consumer friendly. In an ideal world manufacturers would sell directly to customers. The dealer middleman in the current process is a pure profit business and does nothing but put more expense and aggravation on the consumer. This is not an ethical business.
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This is leasehackr, not regulardealfinder. The nature of this site is to advocate consumer information to get the best possible discount on cars-this means pushing the whole distribution chain for maximum consumer discounts. This forum is notoriously tough on dealers by often pushing for unprofitable arrangements. This is not an ethical forum in that sense, but it is reactionary to the current dealership system.
In a perfect world- Manufacturers would set the rates/prices and pass on margins directly to consumers- the Tesla model.
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- The idea that dealers arenât friendly is no longer the case. Itâs just a perception/stigma that has carried over from ages ago, the tables have turned now. The customer is the one looking to play games meanwhile the average sales person has no control and just wants to make a quick easy deal so they can make their minimum deal on the car because big gross profit deals donât exist anymore (minus your ultra rare and limited niche cars if your brand is lucky enough to have any).
Manufacturers are out of the states a lot of times, who is going to do your paperwork and registration? What are these âmore expensesâ that the dealer put on that are you talking about? Theyâre actually discounting it from what manufacturer suggests you pay. With respect, the fact that you think dealers are pure profit displays that you donât know enough about how dealers operate and youâre fed into to the BS people tell you.
- The flaw with this is, you have thousands of members who have all this information but still donât know what it means and what to do with it. Everyoneâs just in here spreading misinformation and talking to each other in their echo chambers. Itâs so simple, just figure out how much you are comfortable paying and find out how close to it a dealer will get. You donât need the money factor, residual, and all this other crap. Youâre not gonna gain knowledge accumulated from years of experience and countless deals made by professionals just by signing up to a forum.
Also, these labels and narratives on dealers were established long before this forumâs existence, so what Iâm talking about is a bigger picture.
Finally, what Tesla is trying to do is in fact the perfect world standard, however it is truly unattainable for now, hence why they are selling stock to make up for some of the huge debt theyâre in.
Why is this preferred anyway?Tesla, is charging you whatever they feel like, you cannot negotiate a dime with them, where as other makes set a suggested price and because of free market, you get to pay way less than what they say.
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So which dealership do you work for Peter?
Youâve managed to hit the âsalesperson posting on leasehackrâ trifecta all in one post:
- The dealer is actually the victim of asshole customers wanting transparency
- You donât actually need to know any of the info to make a good deal, just trust the man behind the curtain
- The people on here are spreading misinformation and none of what you see is realistic
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This is not what I said. I said the dealership business by nature is not consumer friendly in the way it takes profit by being a middle man in the distribution chain. Dealerships will always be not consumer friendly.
Are words even needed here? This is absurd.
As of writing- your account has 11 minutes of read time. It looks like you work for a dealership and are trying to pass off as a regular user.
Why is it absurd? It can really be that simple for everyone.
I am a new user here, who answers to subjects that interest me. I speak honestly based off my knowledge and experience. What does my account or who I am have any relevance to anything? Either my argument is good or itâs not, the rest doesnât matter.
It can be that simple if you arenât trying to maximize the value of your dollar and want to pad the pocket of the dealer.
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Youâve seen my view point and oversimplified it. Now whatâs your point?
State what you find wrong in what I say.
I have no agendas and Iâm not trying to sell you or anyone anything.
Dude, amazon handles sales taxes for hundreds of jurisdictions and all that stuff no questions asked, no problem.
Every car maker that sells globally (which is all of them) somehow, some way manage to get all their regulatory ducks in a row with every new car. Taxes and registration are a cakewalk compared to crash testing. Tesla has no trouble at all doing it, and the other car manufacturers would gain the competency in a matter of months if they were allowed.
MSRP is a joke today and everyone knows it. Except for Tesla. Not being able to negotiate a dime with them is a feature, not a bug. If I negotiate with BMW, I have no idea if what I paid was too high or if the next guy got thousands less because he was a better negotiator. I have no idea if the dealer marked up hidden fees that could have been taken off if I just asked.
As far as dealers now being ethical: yes, some are. Maybe many are. But the four-square deal sheet still gets used way too much for you to be able to make a blanket claim like that. âCome on down and lets talkâ gets used way too much for you to make a blanket claim like that. Shady sales about still.
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Theyâre more trying to not be at maximum loss on every deal if that makes sense. The skepticism from consumers is what really attributes to unpleasantness in transactions.
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Sounds like youâve had some consumers call you out on your four square bud.
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Youâre suggesting that one magically come up with a price that they feel theyâre comfortable with while ignoring everything that determines what that price actually should be. If youâre coming up with a price while ignoring all the elements that determine it, youâre just pulling stuff out of thin air.
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