im not disagreeing that they are flawless, but the public is hard to please also. the price on the site should be exactly to the dollar, unfortunately a lot of the times its the dealer. Thank gd i never had a problem and am about to pull a trigger on new palisade SEL. However since you mentioned the wind noise, which i have heard other people mentioning it I need to go test it out. but being the issues of Covid19, i cant really go for test drive