Thanks @kekirius!
For anyone else interested in the question about process, I found a good detailed post from 2019 about the process a hackr used to get his 2019 BMW 430i. Obviously the numbers are ridiculously low compared to today’s market, but I think the process is still relevant. Signed: 2019 BMW 430iXdrive Gran Coupe $263/mo 1k DAS (NJ) 🦄!
@max_g does that process look right to you?
I’m narrowing in on the Q5. Any Audi experts know if it’s even worth looking into the Q5e? I’d love to go hybrid, but the other hybrids I’ve looked into (Tonale, Rav4 Prime) have no discounts. If it’s not worth my time, I’d be happy to get the Q5 45 but figured I’d ask about the Q5e before wasting my time.
You missed the subtext/context behind those posts from the BC (before chip-shortage) era. It’s like asking a shark to teach you how to swim. It doesn’t tell you to first get in the water because the water’s all around it, does it even need to be mentioned?
So first, get in the water. The process begins with identifying makes/models that have the quadfecta of discount, rebate, RV and MF.
Without that any other “process” is a waste of time. Michael Phelps can’t teach you to swim on dry land.
Appreciate the feedback. Can you point me in a more helpful direction?
There’s nothing in your list that meets the quadfecta rule. So, it doesn’t matter how you negotiate. You can’t will yourself into a way that beats the math of RV, MF, etc.
Like I said earlier, lease the RAV4 Prime followed by immediate buyout.
I like my '21 q5e mostly due to its excellent acceleration. The biggest drawback is small battery capacity. I live in an apt bldg and having to recharge so frequently on a shared charger is annoying. I use gas mode on the highway.
Do the newer models have better battery capacity?
2023 is still a pitifully low 23 miles of electric only range.
I narrowed down my choices to a Q5 or a Stelvio. Trying to figure out how to get the best deal on either.
I reached out to a local Alfa dealer that has a few of 2023 Stelvios on the lot and asked for the best sales price. They quoted a $55,655 MSRP and offered available incentives:
$2000 National Retail Consumer Cash
$750 Retail Bonus Cash
$2000 Englewood Cliffs Exclusive Bonus Cash
I thanked them for getting back to me but told them this wasn’t competitive to other dealer prices I’ve heard. I told them I’d need to see 15%+ off MSRP (based on what I’d seen brokers quote) to make it competitive. I told them I preferred to give business to my local dealership if they could get to $46k-$47k pre-incentives.
The response I got was, “Of course! I’d be more than happy to match or beat any deal you received from other dealers. Do you have any written offers so I can either match or beat? We’d love the opportunity to earn your business.”
Did I screw up or is there a good response in this situation?
Perfect, all set… except you forgot to sign it:
“sincerely,
a different dealer”
If you’re getting this from brokers, why don’t you take it?
Sorry, I misstated and should have clarified, I’m asking for a larger discount. Best broker deal I’ve seen has been for 13% all in. I’m trying to get to at least 15% plus bonus cash.
Good luck, but realistically no shot. The best offer you’ve seen from a broker is at 4% discount before incentives. How do you think you’ll get to 15%?
Yes, look at a new 2023 or 24 Toyota Crown. I just bought one and its amazing. If you looked at the Rav4 prime, but are considering a sedan, check that one. There are 3 models: Xle, limited, platinum. If you have a “need for speed” the platinum will be the one. Instead, if you want 41 miles per gallon, choose the limited or XLE for “economy” luxury. I chose the limited…its the best car I have ever owned, and I have owned at least 100 cars.
Appreciate the suggestion. I need more cargo space than what my 430i gran coupe gives me, so I’m pretty locked into a compact SUV.
Do any Alfa experts know if these incentives on the Alfa Miller Motors (CT) website are dealer-specific or are applicable to all dealers?
At least 100 cars, or 100 Toyotas?
Incentives and lease programs are region specific, not related to any dealer specifically.
100 cars plus Lets see. 2 Camry hybrids, 1 Corolla hybrid, 1 Sienna, 1 Toyota Crown.
Many Chevy’s (75+) (too numerous to count) Several Hondas, Several Nissans, A couple Fords, 1 Saab, 2 Subarus, 1 Volvo, 3 Dodge CAravans, 1 Town and Country, 1 Mercedes Benz, a half dozen or so VW’s, zero Kia’s, and zero Hyundai’s. Plus more I cant remember.
