Yes they pay for the data
That’s the rub. It’s not published anywhere you can look at it, especially not all the data, for all the brands, in every region, every month. This is why the bigger brokers and independents pay for desking tools that also buy the data and make it available to their customers.
I’d say leasehackr starts charging a premium membership then, and include the aggregation in the perks section.
Entire point of the website.
So, someone like volvo1 posts here that a new XC90 should be targeted at least at 15% off or more and loaner at 20%+ off to be considered a strong deal. How does that help others when it is not real world numbers? Browse Share Deals and brokers’ offers in Marketplace to get idea about ongoing deals.
Idk why everyone is way over complicating this. It’s not that hard to just say hey, look into Volvo, they have a good Costco rebate. That’s it. That doesn’t take anyone’s “hard work” or time.
Why help each other out?.. This site can just be a place for brokers to post their deals and other people to post their horrible deals where then they get ridiculed and they try to defend it.
But never mind. Just lock this post. I thought this site was supposed to help in people getting their own deals. But it’s clear that it’s just people wanting to monetize themselves getting deals.
Keeping things in perspective, how would things be without LH? There are plenty of folks that put a lot a lot of time and effort in…
There in lies the big issue. This is suppose to be a resource to help people get their deals. Where heads start butting is when people want others to put in all the legwork so to get their deal. I can’t count the number of times someone has asked for an evaluation of a deal and got upset when they were told that they needed to go gather the rest of the data and wonder why we wouldn’t just do it for them.
A thread like what is being suggested here feels the same way to me. It’s moving further away from the “teach a man to fish” baseline that is being a resource for people to learn to get great deals and closet to “give a man a fish.” Well, maybe more of “give a man a fully cooked fish dish, then cut it into bite size pieces and feed it to him”
Probably because it’s not as simple as you make it seem. Just knowing 1 piece of a deal is still not enough info. When that Costco rebate became available and known, there was a thread about it. Do we really need to make another thread to list that info again?
I feel folks are taking this suggestion to personally. It’s an idea that may or may not Be viable long term, however I believe it’s a very nice premise. There is no reason to overcomplicate it, to have a forum that informs others which cars / companies are having aggressive rebates/ residuals for the month ,can only be a positive. It is not meant to be a guarantee for a super high discount off of MSRP, nor is it a guarantee that your individual trim level is included in model incentives., or a guarantee that your region is covered by the aggressive incentives.It would be a baseline information center, that could only help , with little to no downside. I would certainly contribute , and my guess is it would become one of the more popular threads
How is this different than the front page articles on LH that are put up. They capture deals that can be replicated.
All other deals are YMMV deals.
I’d think the biggest problem with this thread is folks (like me) will get so hung up on missed opportunities from past months, and will wind up running in circles chasing their tails to replicate them.
That is not necessarily true. If you want to find some good deals without having to do research, look at some of the broker offerings. There have been some amazing deals being offered to LH members in exchange for (at most) a small broker fee.
A “unicorn” is given that title because it is simply that. A one-off deal that is highly unlikely to be replicated. I wouldn’t let a read-through of the Trophy Garage posts lead you to believe that these kinds of deals are the norm, but rather a dedicated place of showing the benefits on putting work into finding a good deal.
Unfortunately over time this forum has been less about helping each other and teaching how to get a good deal into brokers advertising their deals like you mentioned.
This forum used to be a great resource to learn but over time the replies are just “use the search bar, get a broker, etc… etc…”
For someone new to the site that can be confusing and overwhelming. New users just get ridiculed and told to use a broker.
Nobody wants to help anymore or “teach”, but rather monetize their ability to get a good deal.
I’ve never personally used a broker nor have needed to. I’ve been in this forum for a long time now, and over time learned what I needed to but this forum is definitely shifting into a more broker oriented group.
Someone finally said it.
This is true to some extent, but broker deals have gotten so good that it has just become to go-to recommendation for someone that is completely lost in the process or is asking to be spoon-fed information. I try my best to help, but it can be difficult when people ask “What discount should I get?”. Fortunately, brokers rarely jump into a thread telling them that they can beat whatever price that was quoted, which keeps the forum at an equilibrium. Also, the broker fees help to make this forum possible, as running the back end is not free.
A lot of great and active discussion comes from threads created with the OP understands pricing, lease deal structuring, and how to find most of this information on their own and needs some help or another pair of eyes to make sure that they are not getting screwed.
I don’t agree with this.
New users that demonstrate that they only want to be spoon-fed get told to use a broker. New users that demonstrate that they have an interest in learning usually aren’t (other than perhaps a passing comment of “if you don’t want to take the time to deal with all this, here is another option.”)
I think we all agree that the primary purpose of this place is for sharing information so people can learn and approach the leasing process from the strongest standpoint possible. I’ve learned a ton being here and try to share as much of that with new people as I can. As the community grows and awareness that this place exists, however, we get a lot more traffic from those just looking for an easy solution. I agree that there are new people that we are short with. The vast majority of the time, those are people that have logged on, avoided doing any reading or searching, and just post asking for someone to do everything for them. I go out of my way to not only help new people that ask reasonable questions, but to also thank those that demonstrate they took the time to help themselves and do some reading first. If we treat this as a place where people come to learn to fish, then we can help people grow their understanding. If we just do the work for them, no one learns. It doesn’t do them any favors and it doesn’t so us any favors.
I think the idea of this thread isn’t bad in concept. It’d make for some interesting cliff notes for those that already understand the basics. The issue I think many have is that it is basically setting up an all you eat buffet for fish. All it’s doing is streamlining the spoon-feeding we are trying to get away from.
Instead of having an argument, just post whatever info you think is useful in your first post, as this thread was intended for.
Where else on the internet can you search and find (for instance): which brands allow you to residualize PIOs, dealer installed options, or wheel upgrades?
Where else are they discussing non-captive leasing (eg US bank and Ally)?
Where are they discussing credit bureaus and scoring models, and how you get A Tier financing?
AND if it’s been detailed in the past three months, why is it such a chore to search for it here like you would any search engine? By the way, most of the time I check the entire Internet for more answers to questions like that, they come back here.
There are robust forums out there that discuss this; but not it’s soul purpose such as this site. It’s easier …ish… here on this site.