I’m confused as to what this means. Did you want to put more or less down? What was your target?
What needed to be explained inside the FI office? How did you not have an understanding of these before you stepped in there? Again, having a well-defined target would have avoided all this wasted time and effort.
Is there a world where dealers use Dealer Cash to discount the car on the back end and allow you to use EV and Fleet still for incentives? Just thinking out loud
I was wondering the same thing.
Especially after seeing this recent deal with total incentives of 29.5K (7.5 EV + 12 Amex Fleet + 10K Dealer Cash) and a relatively modest MSRP discount (11.5%):
Honed in on a 580 SUV loaner…5k miles. Guess they’re going to play dumb on this. Asked for my target price… response I got “I will lease that for myself for that price.” See if I can wear them down…
I have the following deal I am signing this week, but I can’t make the dealer’s numbers match with the calculator. Can you guys help explain what I’m doing wrong? There’s a $100/month discrepancy here. Dealer is telling me $855/month, whereas calc is showing $727.
Edit: I asked for max MSDs on it, without MSDs dealer quoted me $934/month with $1885 DAS. With MSDs, it’s $11,315 DAS ($9,500 MSD + $1815 first month/fees) at $865/month.
You have the wrong MF in your calculator. Your resulting MF with MSD in the screen-shot is 0.00038. That means your starting MF was probably 0.0008.
I updated your calc here (still pre-tax) … I got much closer but getting it perfect will require that Delta-Guy’s-Math-Skillz.
PS, I have no clue how the residual works out to 55.8555%. I suspect the demo miles in the LH calculator do not get applied at the same rate by your dealer.
In the shared image, dealer side shows lease factor as 0.00038. Is that the post MSD MF, then?
I asked for max MSDs on it, without MSDs dealer quoted me $934/month with $1885 DAS. With MSDs, it’s $11,315 DAS ($9,500 MSD + $1815 first month/fees) at $865/month.
That $1815 doesn’t really look right, does it? Since acquisition fee is $1100 and first month is $865, that alone is more than the estimated $1815 (NJ no sales tax). However, he did say the fees are estimated and that the fees would be close, which I assume will mean higher.
The only way I could get to your dealer’s calc was if I started with a MF of 0.0008 then maxed out the MSD’s to bring it down to something around 0.00038 (…or 0.0004).
They are rolling the $1,095 acquisition as a capitalized cost. That’s why the Initial Cap Cost is $1,095 less than the Adjusted Cap Cost.