$2000 in BS add ons looks pretty crappy to me.
What is your target deal?
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Let me rephrase that. A marked up money factor just to cheat the deal is dishonest.
Yes there are reasons to do it.
Heck I’ve asked for it before at the dealership trying to find a way to get different discounts.
But let’s be real that’s very very unlikely the case here.
I would bet this was a marked up MF done to intentionally make the deal better for the dealer. And with the hope the client wouldn’t notice.
I could be wrong. Just my gut
Question. Do you love the jeep?
Like is this the one you see and just can’t stop wanting to be in?
I only ask as I can name prob a half dozen better cars that lease out very well all of which are looked at as higher premium.
Like the lyric
Zdx
iX
EQE etc.
Jeep would beat them all performance wise tho dollar for dollar.
I’d get a Wagoneer S in the 200s, but I’d never get one close to 400…
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How much dealer discount is required for a deal to not be considered dishonest in your opinion?
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Dealers are in business to make money and the more uneducated the buyer is the more $ the dealer makes. Sadly, lots of people out there who are bad with numbers and too lazy to get better at it.
@mllcb42 I am totally assuming every dealership that adds bullshit like paint protection, key fob replacement etc etc is just dishonest.
They force you to either buy overpriced garbage or go elsewhere.
I guess I’m scarred from this practice as many dealers would hide it back in the day until you get to the paperwork and see insane fees they never disclosed.
So off the top. Any MF mark up by this dealer is dishonest. If they didn’t have the BS fees I would feel different.
Call me a baby 
I’m good with it haha
How is it ‘dishonest’? Dealers are allowed to mark up MFs. It is on the customer to know what to negotiate especially when leasing. Dealers LOVE leases with uneducated customers! So many people sign lease contracts and have no clue how the numbers work…that is on them.
In most cases you’ll have better luck reaching out to different dealers using the information, lessons and tactics learned from the first interaction than to keep trying to push a rock up a a hill with a dealer that’s clearly not interested in making an aggressive deal on this car. The reason why I know that they aren’t is because the dealer add-ons and accessories are still there on the quote.
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But what if there was a third way? What if you received a dealer discount that made up for the fact that the money factor markup and/or dealership adds were still there? I’ve gotten deals in the past that had things like key replacement and BS add ons before. The discount off MSRP was so strong that it didn’t matter. I paid a 1300 doc fee on my Equinox EV lmao… did it really matter if they gave me 14% off?
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@ElectricEliminator I mean now you are just arguing to argue.
My whole post was about this dealer.
Naturally any of us would be happy to pay whatever BS fees marked up money factors but the oil change package even if we are buying an EV if the rest of the deal fits what we are looking for.
And to be fair I have seen way worse BS fees.
The dealers that charge 5k in BS fees. It’s insane
Less and less are doing it thankfully.
Send me a jeep wagoneer S for no money down and 150 a month and all 150 of that is marked up MF and BS add ones. Sign me up lol
What is dishonest about it? It’s right there itemized for you to see.
If you don’t want to pay for it, that’s cool, but when you ask a dealer how much they want you to pay, it isn’t dishonest for them to tell you.
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This may be a dishonest dealership overall in the OP, but making these blanket statements:
Does not make every dealer dishonest who does it (which is how it came off in your post). We try to prevent people from dying on this hill as a good deal can still be obtainable with a marked up MF.
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@mllcb42 that isn’t true. Many advertised prices exclude the BS fees.
Infact almost every dealership that has them does not list them online.
Then they add them in when you try and make a deal. That’s straight up dishonest pricing.
Laws have changed around this in some states.
Youtubers have made careers calling out these places.
Her paperwork shows it yes but it’s not advertised anywhere on their website that it’s added.
Maybe maybe you can find it in the fine price. But I looked I didn’t see it.
If a dealership swapped wheels on every car. Didn’t tell you there was a cost until it was paperwork time. That would be dishonest.
The price is a lie. The definition of dishonest is telling a lie. And that’s what is going on.
Let’s not go and say that one guy streaming mediocre deals on Toyotas and Hondas non stop while wasting his (and his paying clients!) time arguing beyond the point of usefulness with idiots is somehow indicative of a larger cottage industry.
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My target was 350-375 a month and 3500 down 10K a year. I went to another dealership and got that. No add on’s!
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How many months? How did you arrive at that target price and DAS? Did you work downstream from the pre-incentive sales price of the car or by some other method?
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Let’s not be dishonest.
The quote has been posted here with the add ons itemized exactly as I stated they were.
Clearly. I can see the quote. Go to their website. Find where they advertise these fees
You act like a bait and switch is honest. It’s not.
I can’t list my house for sale and when you go to do a contract to buy it suddenly I add in fees that are not part of sales price.
I can’t own an electronics store and when you go to check out are forced to buy the extended warranty.
When dealers have prices listed and hide the BS fees is it dishonest. We way too often let them off the hook because it became common.
If they had the BS fees included in the advertised price cool. Even when you click the window sticker. The BS fees aren’t there.
Often these fees are undisclosed until the deal is getting put together and now everyone has wasted time due to the lies.
I’m not gonna keep going back and forth. The post has been hjacked for a difference of opinion.
For me….Fuck this kind of business practice. If you are advertising one price and than adding anything to the cost that is not advertised. You have lied. Period.
Have a great day. P.S. (I appreciate the back and forth it helps make sure the correct context is getting out there, like the example of a blank statement on marked up MF. Which I understand we don’t want a bunch of members seeing and running with.. But I’m also not spending more time back and forth on the topic of BS fees dealers add on, no one will get me to change my opinion and therefore there is no reason to keep discussing it. Cheers man)