How bad is this Porsche CPO lease?

In Illinois, looking at a 2023 Panamera (< 20K miles) CPO on a 24/10. Here are the “best” numbers per dealer (not broker):

Monthly without tax of 2956

  • MSRP - 159,100 (if relevant, original MSRP was 176,850

    Sell Price - 126,000

    Residual - 77,959

    MF - dealer hasn’t disclosed but playing with the calculator suggest .00425

    Cap Cost - zero

    Drive away - IL taxes and first month (acquisition of 1095 and dealer fee of 799 rolled into lease)

    Even taking it down to what I think is new Porsche base MF of .0032 still has me at 2739.

Seems crazy bad to me but maybe that is the nature of Porsche CPO.

Uhmmm

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Man that lease is is messed up. Are you hunting a Sport Turismo or something? I feel like the resid is awfully low for a $176,850 sticker.

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just to give you an idea, I’m paying less than 1/3 of that for a 2021 Taycan 4s lol

Yep, hybrid ST - kind of rare but not a unicorn

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Thanks - but I find that the EV version of anything is always way cheaper to lease

True but this is so bad that if you signed this, you’ll be in the HOF of Bad Lease Deals, you’ll pay 71k over 2 years to lease a used panamera. 3k gets you a 911GTS new lease. or even a new one would be cheaper to buy and resale after 2 years lol

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The Panamera leases out nowhereeeee near the same as a Taycan. We might as well be comparing two entirely different brands. :laughing:

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Residual is low and the MSRP being ~177k is irrelevant because it’s capped at 159k. Residual is correct for the specified terms.

I agree completely, but this is stupidly bad. If he really wants a panamera, he needs to buy it, not lease it.

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Agreed, there is no discussion there. Nice car don’t get me wrong..not worth anywhere near that money. :man_shrugging:t2:

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And it’s murdered out but the Porsche crests in the wheels aren’t monochrome. Undrivable.

It’s like that murdered out Taycan someone has but the window surrounds were chrome.

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Yeah, I also looked at the car haha. I’ll almost always go with the colored crests.. :nail_polish:

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Thanks for all the input and the validation to my gut feeling that this was a terrible lease. My takeaway from the comments is that the killer factor here is the sell price - the 126K. The residual seems legit (based off the reduced MSRP due to CPO/mileage) and the MF is bumped but negotiable.

I really like the ST hybrid - and, yes, it is pretty rare - but it seems like the dealer is putting on a huge premium. They have dropped from the original 139 ask down to this 126 but aren’t budging. When I compare it to similar Panamera’s of similar MSRP, in other trims, the ask price should be closer to 110-112 (obviously I can’t determine sell price, only ask).

As always, appreciate the unvarnished input of this community.

Check Porsche CPO WEBSITE. There is a white’23 ST Hybrid there for $112K. There is a ‘black 22 for under $100K

Since CPO leasing these is off the table anyway, @deaddog needs more papaya.

https://corvettemike.com/used-corvettes-for-sale/2023-papaya-metallic-panamera-gts-sport-turismo/

With what intention.? Besides the fact that they are lower trim levels (not S’s), the black cannot be leased and the white would lease considerably worse than the one OP mentioned.

I want the car just so I can brag I got my poorsche from corvettemIkE lol

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Thanks, I’ve seen them all - and used several of them to argue that a fair price is about 62ish% of original MSRP.

And, to be fair, I’m picky on colors and options and that is going to cost me ultimately - although the papaya would be a radical choice for a great price!!!

Finally, that Canadian car is a decent price but I understand that Canadian CPO’s can’t be leased.

CPO leasing will be difficult for the next 3-4 months, if it ever recovers, as PFS has been pulling back for the past year. There is now a cap on the RV, so any big sticker cars will not lease like before. Also, PFS updated residuals to account for the new year, which is going to be further behind what dealers have their cars priced at. I had CPO leases on my spreadsheet that went up hundreds of dollars per month.

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