Juicebox is on sale at Costco.com for $499. Solid deal
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Too bad it’s only the 40, people with the EV6 or Ioniq5 will want the 50.
everyone should want the 48 model because it can be hard wired and for some very odd reason the costco model has a 20ft cord not the 25ft of the regular model. judging from the costco reviews there a TON of quality control issues also.
It’s Costco, just return it if it breaks in an unreasonable amount of time
some people said they were on their 3rd replacement. kind of seems like its not even worth the discount in exchange for the slightest possibility of that kind of hassle.
Why spend $499 on the juicebox when you can spend $499 on the emporia and get the 48 amps you want?
EMPORIA ENERGY Smart Electric Vehicle EV Charger, 48A Level 2, Energy Star/UL, NEMA 14-50 or Hardwire, 24ft Cable, Indoor/Outdoor EVSE Amazon.com
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If anyone is looking for a good quality but low cost EVSE, the previously discussed JADaniell one is now $249. I believe that 30% of the total installation cost is also tax deductible.
30% is starting Jan right? I can’t remember if that bill affects it immediately.
So is it better to upgrade from 120v to 240v and get a Level 2 charger in 2022 or in 2023 for any federal credits? I know states may vary.
Emporia has their unit on sale for $399 right now. If youre considering one, thats what id get.
(For the reference of others, i know you know)
Im actually considering getting it with the monitoring if i can apply the tax credit to it all.
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I just bought another one of the JA Daniell units because I’ve had such good luck with them and because they are so insanely cheap! They are 190 bucks after the tax credit. I already have whole home house monitoring so I don’t need a unit that can do anything but charge.
that is the brand of whole house monitoring that I have (so that was definitely my first choice for EVSE as well). But as a hacker, I had to go with the lower-cost option that would do the same thing due to already being able to monitor the circuit. I don’t have any time of day charging benefits here, so basically when I plug it in, I want it to start charging.
Emporia unit is 48 amp max vs only 32 amp max for the JADaniell. That alone is worth the extra $150 for future proofing imo, much less any of the smart features.
I also dont love that the JADaniell unit isnt UL listed. I understand why he doesn’t pay for the testing, but at least some homeowners insurance wont cover damage if theres a fire and you were using a non-ul listed evse.
Valid points for sure…I would also suggest anyone who installs an EVSE in their garage also install a smoke detector. Ive had one burn up (a GE Wattstation) and it was a melted mess inside the case.
The 4xe will max out the JADaniell at ~31-32A for sure. Im my case (after going through at least 3 EVSE in the past decade) I know that planning for the future is hard. I expect to replace them due to failure and will tech update at that time. The next big jump in “normal” charging rate (I hope???) will be higher than even 48A…but well see. It kind of has to be to get widespread acceptance. Most people I talk to (who have a negative bias against EVs, which is admittedly mostly valid on alot of fronts, and I say that as someone whos had at least a dozen of them) wont even consider an EV until the charging rates at home are much much faster. I think people would deal with low(ish) range if they didnt get inconvenienced with the refilling rate.
48A will at least about max out what youre going to able to support on a standard 200A service. Going to be a big step up in cost to support faster charging than that for most.
Im also not really convinced by the charging rate limitation argument. Even if we assume the abysmally bad electric consumption of the 4xe and pretend it has a larger battery/supports 48A, youre still talking 250+ miles of range recharged over night. How many people are actually being limited because they’re driving more than 250 miles every day?
Its the overnight thing that limits adoption. It is not a huge deal to me, but I have experienced it many times over the years with an EV (or hybrid of some sort). Until an EV can “refill” in 5 minutes like an ICE, that will always be a major ding against it.
I think the big issue there is that most people fixate on their .1% use case and extrapolate it out to the other 99.9%.
It always amused me having that conversation with people in CA, where evs qualified for the hov lanes with a single driver. On my commute, you could easily save an hour each day with hov access, however, people wouldnt consider an ev because they might have to sit at a dc fast charger for an extra 30 minutes once a year on a road trip.
I suspect one could go 2x that (or more) if they wanted to in the main panel (or just install a small subpanel adjacent). Im not aware of a code restriction for that (by I could be out of date in my knowledge).
Absolutely! But, thats how most people think (and they do have a point…try evacuating for a storm in an EV)…not pretty. I rented an ICE a week in advance (Irma…2017) and thank goodness I did as otherwise wed have been up the creek. I could carry 25-30 gal of gas on the roof (and did…but man oh man were people eyeing us with an envy that looked like it might turn aggressive…).
The other piece is that generally speaking, EVs arent any less expensive than an ICE, so many folks wont want to consider one until there is a big financial benefit to doing so IMO.