How much wiggle room do you think you have with haggling with a lease broker?
The deal is ok but they’re trying to imply they’re getting a bigger discount on MSRP but they’re trying to add other fake “government fees” and I know what the state law is…
They are straight shooters unless you dealing with a shady one that’s not on this forum 
As far as government fees that’s the dealer not the broker
I wouldn’t wanna deal with you
As @aronchi would say you not a customer 
I have way too many people trying to haggle with me lately, and it’s honestly a huge waste of time. I had someone in the last week trying to eek everything out of a deal, even another 0.5% off. I explained several times that it’s equivalent to $400 on an $80,000 car - $15 a month after tax and interest - but there was no relenting. In the meantime, 3 cars that fit his very specific requirements sold.
You need to evaluate the deal. If OK, then take it. In my situation, I just paid higher broker fee than expected without asking: " But, but…". At the end, it is bussiness as usual for both sides.
Well to be fair, don’t you think I would do better with your government fees than the government? 
Why not negotiate the deal with a dealer of your choice and see what fees they end up charging .
He’s plays tough but always keeps a spare % for his out of region customers.
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Maybe on loaners at the end of the month, as long as you’re not picky, but the brokers will usually post those, and they’ll be picked up almost immediately.
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none (hopefully) on this forum though, why would you want to haggle/hassle them out of their livelihood?
if they overcharge on gov fees, by law, they have to refund them after the deal is done and actual fees paid. So finish the deal and get the refund later.
What did I just read, and why did I read the whole thing?
Without a basis for negotiating (competing offer), you really should not.
That being said if we’re literally $100-200 sale price away from meeting your target, we won’t lose your business over it.
Haggling with a broker is a sure-fire way of screwing yourself over.
You will get ghosted, then you’ll try to find a dealer on your own and will quickly realize that no dealer will come close to the discount offered by the broker. Definitely not the best path to go forward on over a few hundred dollars.
Sunk cost fallacy at it’s finest, I read it all too.