EV “SUV” - what models should I be looking at?

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I’ve seen a lot of threads recently where LH’ers are sharing thoughts on cars that are better deals than what the OP has in mind. So I wanted to explicitly ask for help on that :grinning_face:

I’m in the market for an SUV/crossover (in WA, but don’t think that matters much). Want room in the back for car camping / large-ish dogs.

Ioniq 5 and EV6 are on the top of my list. So that’s $55-60k range, super fast charging and great lease offers.

What else should I be looking at?

What’s on my radar:

Audi - Q6. Not familiar with the “sportback” style for other models, but seems kinda like a station wagon/crossover? Q4 ruled out because of slower fast charging. (May not add up to a lot of time waiting over term of lease, but want to do long road trips so that extra time will matter when I charge)

BMW - I think IX is the only one in this segment, but even with lease deals is out of my price range.

Cadillac - Lyriq & maybe Optiq. See incredible deals people have made on courtesy vehicles, but likely too large for my garage :weary_face: edit: per discussion below, slow charging.

Chevy - I need CarPlay, so I think that rules out all of the killer deals.

Genesis - GV70 Electrified; don’t see good lease offers.

Honda - Prologue; have seen many deals, haven’t looked much into them. GM rebadge, but with CarPlay, right?

Mercedes - Think I’ve missed the best EQS deals. Edit: are there other models I should consider?

Tesla - have a Model 3 now, looking for something different.

VW - ID.4; very good lease offers, don’t know much more.

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What are your actual size constraints?

The OPTIQ is the size of a cat turd.

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Optiq width with mirrors = 84”

Might want to get that cat to a vet.

I’d swear that when I looked into this before I saw about 73” with mirrors. But that’s telling me it’s actually 82” with mirrors. So I guess it’s not a concern.

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So 84 with mirrors is ok?

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Looks like you already have all the information you need to make a decision. It’s time for you triage on what matters to you the most. Since you already own a EV, I guess this should be a relatively easy process for you. Narrow down your options further and then start reaching out to dealers.

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I’m with the others who say you need to define this numerically and eliminate anything that doesn’t fit.

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This charges pretty slow. I’m guess its sibling models (Optiq and Lyriq) as well as the ID4 (since you ruled out the Q4) all perform nearly as bad.

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Look at a Wagoneer S too.

[for the price] I’m satisfied with mine.

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Yes.

Well, that’s kinda where I was with my 2 choices. But I’m not a car guy, and based off those recent threads I mentioned, thought it might be worth looking at others.

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Thanks for pointing this out. To clarify, I haven’t done extensive research on all of the models I listed. Figuring out what to look at first, then diving deeper.

Optiq - 150kw max charge speed

Lyriq - 190kw max charge speed.

So I guess both of those go in the “no” pile.

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Do you have a lot of 250-350+ KW chargers on the way during these road trips?

I don’t so the car’s theoretical ability to charge faster doesn’t mean much to me but YMMV.

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These networks will continue to grow.

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That’s what I told myself when I got my first EV in 2022. It’s progressively getting worse.

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How often do you plan on relying on third party charging? Unless you are getting an EV that includes some kind of third party charging credits, the value proposition of an EV quickly evaporates, moreso if you are in an area with cheap gasoline. As for CarPlay, have you actually sat in and tried any of the GM EVs and used their system? What is it about CarPlay (or Android Auto even) that makes it so different from using an integrated system that does most of, if not all of the same stuff?

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Seems like you’re not open to too many suggestions and already have a EV SUVs in mind.

I have had several EVs and at public chargers, they charge at similar speeds.

Perhaps my Ioniq 5 charges a bit faster- about 7 ish minutes faster but it will slow down when someone else is using the adjacent charger, which is all the time these days.

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Not sure where you’re getting that, since I literally started a thread asking for other suggestions.

Are there other models you think I should be looking at?

I can re-evaluate my thinking on fast charging. Does that make any other model a better fit/value?

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You left out the Acura ZDX. I have the type S and like it a lot.

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Seconding this. Most of the EVs on the list here excluding the Hyundai and Kia E-GMP vehicles charge at similar times and is more charge curve dependent than the theoretical max. For example, my Model Y doesn’t hold 250kW or even 200kW for long. Also consider that the Hyundai and Kia’s need a 800V charger to reach those higher speeds. On Tesla Superchargers, it’s much closer although they also have a great charge curve.

My suggestion is to not get too hung up over the specs and make your decision based on how these drive and how you like the software. Coming from a Tesla, the software maturity in each may come as a shock.

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Exactly. The majority of the time you’re driving, not charging.

Unless of course you’re an uber or lyft power user or something :laughing:.

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Just out of curiosity, what on earth is making you think this?

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