EV “SUV” - what models should I be looking at?

That’s not what actual data shows. The networks are getting larger AND more reliable. :chart_increasing:

https://electrek.co/2025/07/28/the-us-added-4200-new-dc-fast-charging-ports-and-thats-just-q2/

Same data, more info

In addition to many stories about new partnerships with various businesses, I’m sure you can find data on stations added since 2022 here:

https://electrek.co/guides/ev-charging-stations/

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Projection

https://electrek.co/2025/08/18/home-charging-rules-as-global-ev-ports-soar-to-206-million-by-2040/

Great point on the charging curve. That’s an important detail that so few people are aware of.

While being aware of it, I didn’t actually look into it for any of my comparisons. Because I’ve done the most investigation into the I5/EV6, I’m aware that the charging curve is great here at certain stations.

Thanks also for highlighting the software difference. When I started my search, I was stunned to see that every other major/legacy brand was STILL so far behind. That’s one reason why my next car will be a lease. Seems most of those brands are at least 1-2 model years away from having SDV’s. And I still haven’t seen any clear commitments regarding delivering new features that way. I think it’s going to take them many more years before they have the ability to deliver features consistently. And I suspect they’ll paywall most updates. Subscription fees make sense for some things, but not others. Exciting times ahead for sure.

What is it about CarPlay (or Android Auto even) that makes it so different from using an integrated system that does most of, if not all of the same stuff?

The two, and only two sources of audio I use in my car is Apple Music (family plan) and a specific podcast app I like best.

In our CarPlay car I can trivially, safely, and automatically use these (wirelessly) from the car’s display. My phone doesn’t even leave my pocket. It also autoroutes any navigation I had set up on my phone before I got in the car. I don’t even have Google Maps installed on my phone, nor do I want it.

NONE of the above is possible in the current crop of GM cars. literally 0% percent. It’s a major, major dealbreaker for people like me, of which there are many. I’m not interested in changing my entire lifestyle to meet GM’s decisions and never will be.

Note that in Tesla/Rivian (which most like to bring up in this discussion for also not having CarPlay), I can do the map routing easily via their apps with (send to car) and both have native support for Apple Music. So only podcasts is still an issue there.

GM is the worst of the entire industry in the above common uses, and it’s not close.

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Saw a Porsche Macan 4 S on the road yesterday :hot_face: The Oak Green Metallic Neo looks amazing in person.

Price is out of my range (and per other threads, seems like they don’t deal much). But it has the faster charging I want, so maybe if I hit the Powerball tonight :crossed_fingers:

Briefly saw one of these in person today, and seemed huge - like Ioniq 9 sized, but only 2 row seating. Math says it’s less than a foot longer than Ioniq 5 though.

Is this the car you mentioned that you leased that shows people you’ve given up on your dreams? :joy:

You can install Apple Music in the Cadillacs (Lyric, Optic) from the play store. I’m betting the same from other GM products.

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The first article shares aggregate stats; it doesn’t really tell you much about what you’d encounter on your potential roadtrips.

download the PlugShare app if you haven’t already and look at what’s available in some of your foreseeable routes/destinations.

You may have seen a Big Girl Wagoneer.

The Wagoneer S is an entirely different car, and it’s smaller than my parents’ Grand Cherokee (and probably smaller than our Blazer EV).

And yes, this was the dream crusher. It wasn’t the wrong decision at the point in time, I’m just used to driving higher-end cars.

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How is the driving on this one? better than Audi e-tron?
btw do you know how to get affiliate rebate $4k on wagoneer S?

looking at this now along with A6/Q6.

nvm got it FCA Affiliate Rewards

The only thing better than the e-tron GT is the payment, and the fact that the Jeep’s driver-side B pillar trim doesn’t keep falling off. :smiley:

I really, truly loathe SUVs, so take all of this with a grain of salt.

It’s really fast (500 hp), which was the main draw besides the price. (Launch Edition is 600 hp, or you can add the extra 100 hp on the Ltd for ~$2k).

I wish it cornered better, but it’s an SUV so I knew I’d have to accept this going in.

I also wish it had grippier tires, as from a stoplight it isn’t possible to channel all of the power, as the tires will spin even with traction control on.

You can even chirp the tires by punching the accelerator up to perhaps 30 mph or more, which is absurd and embarrassing and perversely fun at the same time. It brings out the adolescent in me, like when I catch myself laughing uncomfortably when a stranger audibly farts in public.

It’s pleasant and quiet on the road. Interior fit and finish is very good. I had some initial concerns with random but innocuous error messages that came and went, but since a software update about a month ago those all seem to be gone. Zero actual problems.

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I have an Ioniq 5 and a Rivian R1S. If I was shopping again, my short-list would be:

  • Ioniq 5 / EV6
  • Lyric / ZDX
  • Prologue
  • Mach-E

And just find the best deal across those.

I don’t think the charging speed makes that meaningful of a difference unless you’re road tripping very frequently or can’t charge at home and are sensitive to the ~5 minute difference.

IMHO the differences between these are haggling at the margins. Worth it if they’re close but not worth $100 / month to be in a different one.

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