EV Discussion Thread

Come the 2025 models, manufacturers will stop offering free charging at EA and EVGo and will instead offer to cover the third-party connection costs with Tesla superchargers so that their drivers aren’t paying more for filling up at a supercharger than the Tesla driver next to them is…

Charge Bolt, BZ4X, Solterra by the minute. $1 per minute sounds good to me.

Most likely they will forgo any free charging since you’ll have access to tesla SC.

I could see some manufacturers buying into Tesla charging packages in minute blocks (30) or by massively subsidizing the per kWh down to something like 10-15c/kWh

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it needs to be cheaper than EA to work for friend:)

Outdated machines should be discouraged from clogging the network.

Perhaps start putting some destination L2’s at every supercharger that charge a cheaper rate, it would just about give you what you need for a lot of those slower types trying to push over ~85%.

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More EV delays.

There has to be some limit for Tesla network. If your EV can’t get minimum 100kwh somewhere in the curve, go sit on EA.

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Assuming that Tesla is going to charge other cars more per kWh than they charge Teslas, the manufacturers of the other cars are going to have to offset that cost difference at the very least.

It’s already hard for the Nissan, Hyundais, VW, Fords of the world to compete with Tesla.

The new sales pitch of “and you can now leverage a Tesla supercharger (but you’ll pay more to charge than if you’d just bought the Tesla), isn’t that great?!?” isn’t going to get them very far.

I think people will be willing to pay a premium to use an SC because of more availability.

But as usage goes up… so will problems.

In SoCal… some SCs are already crowded.

There are 6x as many Tesla’s in Cali than any other state. It would make sense they are more crowded.

I can’t wait for BYD’s dual charging system (where you can plug a charger in on each side of the car and double your charging speed) to make it over here. Someone’s going to get shot.

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It’s already started…lol

Stendo dude at fault if he provoked.

I’m sure you’re being sarcastic, but money still changes hands in order for us to get “free charging at EA”. Companies like BMW pay a flat fee up front for access to EA. I’d guess about $500/car. That cost gets passed on to us consumers via our MSRP.

Some consumers, maybe. With how little I’m paying for my 2 EQS leases, I don’t think MB is passing much of anything down to me :rofl: , and I am charging at EA pretty much exclusively.

Seriously though, would love to know how much car manufacturers are paying for the free charging plans.

Also VW owes you like $6b for their dumb cheating diesel cars.

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I’m going to guess it’s somewhere around $500/car. Back in 2021 BMW announced they were going to offer $500/car direct credit on EVGo, but they switched to unlimited charging with Electrify America in 2022. I imagine the cost is approximately the same for EA vs EVGo. Most EV owners rarely use DCFC, and people like you and I use it a ton, so I’d imagine the average cost/user is less than $500/car so it’s still profitable for EA to do this.

I would definitely pay it on a road trip if EA has long line or out of service.

VW is already being forced to pay to build the stations so maybe they keep their operating costs down by just never having any chargers that work?