Sorry but this is completely false. I currently have both versions of this power train. The t5 is absolutely gutless under 3k rpm. The t6 provides ample low end torque from idle and transitions seamlessly and smoothly in mid rpm and by high rpm the turbo (under boost at this point) takes over. There is no DIP. Its the most linear forced induction car I’ve driven.
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Well, I didn’t say the T6 feels slower, I just prefer the power delivery of the T5 better. To each his own, I am suggesting the OP test drive both back to back and not get locked into the T6.
Glad they finally paired T5 w/AWD
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I’ve had both a t5 s60 loaner and a T6 XC90 loaner and the considerably heavier XC90 feels more powerful and torquey than the S60 t5. It’s almost as much difference as that of my rdesign T6 polestar tuned s60 and the T6 XC90. But, as everyone said, drive and form your own opinion.
100% disagree. I have both and don’t like driving the XC90 over S60, period. In fact, I much prefer the S60 T5. XC90 feels heavy and underpowered at low RPMs.
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The extra torque is offset by heavier weight. The S60 is much more fun to drive also.
S60 T5 vs T6 is a different story. T6 definitely feels more powerful.
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Of course it is, it’s a car compared to a family truckster.
I enjoyed our S90 over the XC90 T-6 R-design with Polestar
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You started it lol
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Very true, but the times I’ve driven a T6 I had my dad in the car and I didn’t need my license privileges revoked. Most people here can’t relate to that…
T5s do have very noticeable turbo lag off the line I wholeheartedly agree
It was decently discounted, so it didn’t seem like a bad deal.
Ultimately, I just didn’t like the car.
Power delivery wasn’t smooth. Didn’t feel as solid on the road as its German competitors.
Luxury-wise, it didn’t impress either. I knew going into it that it isn’t really considered particularly sporty, but I’ve seen a lot of praise for its interior. Meh. Cheap looking and cheap feeling grainy leather all around. Cheap feeling steering wheel (not even leather wrapped). And that’s the Inscription trim! Nothing really stood out as particularly exceptional or luxurious.
It was quite eye-opening that driving my 2016 Accord Coupe V6 back from the dealer, with 82,000 miles on it (!), I didn’t feel that I was missing anything. In fact it felt better to drive.
Yeah, I know about all the safety improvements. But still, when I step into a vehicle with a $52k price tag, from a 5 year old Honda, I want the immediate feeling that this car is worth the extra tens of thousand of dollars. It really didn’t provide that.
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Yes. T6 felt faster. As I replied above, didn’t like the car anyway though.
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I was negotiating with the dealer, in person, and the guy genuinely looked like he didn’t know what I was talking about when I pointed out that the money factor appeared to be market up.
He said they’re actually giving me a discount off of MSRP so it no, the price is not market up. I said I was talking about the MF not the selling price.
He stared at the paperwork, not being able to find where the MF is. I put my finger on the MF line. “That, right there. That’s market up. It should be xxxx.”
He looked back and forth from me to the contract, confused and embarrassed. “The money fa… the mon… the uh… huh, I mean, no? I don’t…”
I know dealers can be real bullshitters, but he legit seemed like he was hearing the term “money factor” for the first time ever.
Is that even possible? Are the vast majority of buyers so clueless that dealers don’t even need to bother learning the ins and outs and just get buy with the usual “tell me what you can afford per month”?
It’s called, Distract the consumer with other terms so you give up.
And usually they don’t even understand the terms they are cross arguing with you.
That’s pretty generic description of who you worked with. Obviously not everyone at every dealership will understand how leasing numbers work. My guess is only the finance people and above, if that.
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“The guy” as in “the dealer I was negotiating with”…
First mistake - Never negotiate a deal in person.
You mean the sales guy, right?
A dealer could be marking up the MF, but offer you a bigger discount off MSRP.
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many salespeople have no clue how the numbers work. sales managers close deals w numbers.
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This is not a good deal.
I helped two friends get Volvo’s in November. Both were new off the truck. Numbers are below. Both had loyalty and APlan.
- 2022 S60 B5 RDesign approx $45k MSRP 36/15 for $475 with $2k DAS
- 2022 S60 B5 AWD Inscription approx $49k MSRP 36/12 for $498 with $2k DAS
Anyone in Florida who wants a Volvo (specifically S60) I can refer you.
I was already there to test drive the car (which I didn’t care for) and was curious what kind of numbers they’d throw at me.
Not sure the “never negotiate in person” mantra is always valid these days though. With such low inventory, many dealers don’t want to even bother with you unless you’re “serious enough” to be there in person. And I don’t blame them. Why waste time when someone else will come in and snatch it up for above MSRP?