IDK, but it may be a good way to get republicans to move out of state. This just makes their blood boil. I mean wearing a mask was outrageous, this? Yikes. 
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California and sweeping environmental issues under the rug, name a more iconic duo.
Yeah the growing homelessness, drugs, crimes, and other quality of life issues isn’t enough. They’ll need this to move out.
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I have many friends in california with young children and they care a lot about air quality. It’s an issue that affects them greatly. They are pretty unconcerned about whatever homelessness, drugs and crime occur in the 100 square miles that make up the cities of San Francisco and Oakland. They, like the vast majority of Californians, don’t live in the 4th and 8th largest cities in California.
Never gonna happen without massive government investment (like say the post-war investments in ICE infrastructure). You would just need a huge number of electric vehicle chargers on the highway. You need to be able to deal with capacity at peak times, not just normal days. Gas lines on 95 during Thanksgiving are bad. Imagine if everyone need to charge for 30 minutes.
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Aha, like other cities don’t have those problems. I was referring to the cry of “freedom infringing laws”. Plenty of people live here so if some moves out, that would be good.
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That could also be damaging to people if there is a long heat wave. You get home from work with minimal range, you need to charge but the grid is only going to pull from you. Now the following day you don’t have range to get to work. They need to fix the grid before they can implement more widescale EV usage. The current state of things, it is not sustainable.
Other cities do have those problems, and they are not in control by those “freedom loving” Republicans you speak of. Hence the exodus from those cities as well. I guess a win-win for all concerned.
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How much has the government invested in the new 5G networks that have been installed from coast-to-coast? Pretty much close to nothing. In fact, the government has made a ton of money (Billions) by auctioning off exclusive rights to the frequencies to AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile.
I don’t see why there can’t be a market-based solution to this problem. Tesla is a prime example of a private company making public infrastructure investments in chargers. Electrify America is another example of a private company (backed by Volkswagen) making a 2 billion dollar investment in public chargers. And Chargepoint (private EV charger network) announced this week that they are doing a 2 Billion dollar IPO.
If there’s money to be made then open market forces will find a way to grab it. I trust more in the “invisible hand” than in inefficient flicks of executive fingers by Newsom or Trump.
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There are huge homeless problems in most of the rest of the state as well. It’s not just isolated to a few areas.
The infrastructure issue in CA goes way beyond just chargers. It’s the electricity production and transmission infrastructure that’s the real issue. Fortunately, CA has completely disincentivized any private company from wanting to have anything to do with power transmission with what they’ve done to PG&E.
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The executive order requires all new passenger vehicles sold in California to be zero-emission, which includes battery-powered electric cars, vehicles that run on hydrogen fuel cells, and plug-in hybrids that still use some gasoline or diesel in addition to electricity.
PHEVs will be allowed. I mean in 15 years I don’t see a reason why any car can’t be a PHEV…
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Ev charging spots are cheaper then gas station pumps. It won’t be the gas station model, there will be a large amount charging at every retail location as every retailer will encourage charging and shopping/eating.
The grid is not broken. There is a huge amount of capacity for night charging. It took a massive heatwave to barely pass the current limit. More peak capacity can be added for this, but EV charging will mostly not add to the peak load. Air conditioners are by far the biggest consumers during peak load.
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It’ll get reduced before 2035. Since this doesn’t affect used vehicles be sure to stock up on somewhat desirable used ICE vehicles & sell for insane profits. This will drive up the price of used ICE vehicles to stratospheric levels until a good portion of gas stations are shut down in Kali’fornia. This is just another ploy to get you out of your vehicles. Same with Jerry Brown purposely letting the roads go to S.
You are correct, the grid is just fine. The rolling blackout BS was just a scheme during the Davis era to force consumers to “go solar” and to jack up the per-kW hour over a period of time which forces you to “go solar”.
During the heatwave in San Diego last month there were hundreds of outages due to the failing infrastructure. The majority of it was transformers failing. Sure the CA ISO warnings everyday to reduce usage or they’ll start rolling blackouts may be a scare tactic, but if we had more reliable energy production in the state that wouldn’t even be needed.
It was more market manipulation along with consumer price caps not a ‘go solar’ scheme.
When the electricity demand in California rose, utilities had no financial incentive to expand production, as long term prices were capped. Instead, wholesalers such as Enron manipulated the market to force utility companies into daily spot markets for short term gain. For example, in a market technique known as megawatt laundering, wholesalers bought up electricity in California at below cap price to sell out of state, creating shortages. In some instances, wholesalers scheduled power transmission to create congestion and drive up prices.
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That’s all true but it doesn’t solve the peak time issues. 1. Over busy travel weekends/holidays people want to gas up on route, not twenty minutes out of way at Walmart. Yeah they are cheaper to install than gas pumps but each pump can dispense so much more energy per minute than even a level 3 charger. Figure you can fully refuel at least five cars in 30 minutes whereas a level 3 charger can do 20% - 80% for one car in 30 minutes. A big rest stop would need thousands, of chargers on a busy weekend if EV adoption hit say 50%
As for retailers wanting to encourage shopping by installing chargers, yeah they may put up some level two chargers. But for road trips you need level 3+. 25 miles an hour level two charging doesn’t cut it.
First, Tesla received enormous government subsidies in the form of EV rebates. Yeah they invested in chargers, so they could sell cars and get government rebates. Also government loans…big government loans.
As for market based solutions - it’s just not viable in the short term. The return on building a charger network isn’t there. Electrify America is the result of a criminal settlement and the private for profit charging networks dont come close to making long distance driving viable. They have a limited footprint mostly in coastal urban areas. That said, even Adam Smith realized externalities exist. Public good may be served by rules pushing EV adoption and infrastructure just like public good was served by getting lead out of paint and preventing companies from dumping toxic waste in water supplies. But valuing those externalities is hard and it can’t be articulated in 160 characters so the discussion is DOA.
True, but the future solution won’t look like gas stations with long lines moving up 1 car every 20 minutes. If there’s a market for DC fast chargers, you’ll see them at retailers alongside the interstate freeway. There’s plenty of plazas today which could add chargers… and probably many more solutions I’m not an entrepreneur enough to think of. It could be Idiocracy-like Starbucks locations for all I know.
Think about how much the automobile changed society between the road networks and entire cities built around cars for personal transportation. The small leap to electric vehicles is nothing in comparison and very solvable.
Boy…what an absolute lack of creative imagination by some to think that most, if not all, of these EV issues (power grid aside) wont be solved by private companies through competitive market forces in 15 years…
Thinking charging station wait times will be an issue in 15 years is almost laughable.
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