Did you use the form and get any responses from dealers?
It does when you enter a car that exists 
Seriously though, I was initially going after an IS 350 and being in Canada, you do not have the concentration of population that you do in the states so I literally hit every Lexus dealership in Canada, which is not a lot (roughly 60). From that, I received about 35 replies. Before I decided to go in a different direction, I think I received about 15 or so assertive initial offers. It got the door open, it set the tone that I knew what I wanted and what I felt a fair price was and eliminated some back and forth.
Really? You donāt think that creating multiple clones to promote his āservicesā, reply to himself and essentially tricking people into paying money for his crap is unethical? How about using another userās real name and information in hostile posts? Or goading another nice guy - me 
- through PM for calling him out?
This is a shit form. People who pay for it just donāt know any better and thatās another reason why what he does is unethical. But the problem is that he himself doesnāt know any better - he has zero real life auto buying or industry insider experience, a wannabe. There are more than enough real life examples of normal emails to dealers and experts on this site who are ready to help anybody for free.
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I saw you carefully not use the @ symbol but somehow it triggered this popcorn-worthy (see what I did there) forum-movie 
ā¦ Iām not holding my breath to ask if @michael has gotten any commission yet
Something tells me he would show up here regardless, heās watching us 
@Ursusā¦ Uh, No. Its a ridiculous way to do business.
I know you didnāt, was just kidding.
Here are, folks, you have it straight from the horseās mouth:
Ironically the email you received came from James Braggās system at fightingchance.com. From everything I have read, itās quite an effective system despite your personal feelings. A similar type system can be found at lease guide.com as well. Anyway James has been a consumer advocate forever and offers a good honest service.
Chelsea fan
Pick one 
Donāt even get me started on a car broker who can make me an offer I canāt refuse 
Corrected my post above - I meant ācar brokerā, of course
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To begin, I want to be clear that I do not condone activities such as that, if in fact that is the case. I would deem that as unethical as well if it was utilized to garner sales via subversive tactics. Again, I was conveying personal experience and based on your history of posts, you take umbrage to this individual and his intent, it seems, over some time; therefore your personal experience certainly differs and like I said, if that in fact was happening, thatās not a ethical decision on his part.
Again, personal experiences vary, and you have every right to think something is shit. As for people not knowing any better, I purchased it and like to think of myself as quite educated, or at least educated enough to know whether I have an opportunity to learn something or not. With that said, there has been both anecdotal and factual evidence that his system works as I have spoken to individuals that it has worked for. And true, they knew/know nothing about the ins and outs of leasing. However at the end of the day, they got what they paid for which was a vehicle at a price they were happy with.
As I said earlier Ursus, once I found this place, I probably would not have spent the money. But lets face it that we are such a small subset of the overall population. We are the outliers. And again, my concern was not your opinion, but I think itās good to provide multiple perspectives. Your experience has been one of a non-buyer who has infiltrated the back-alley shit someone was doing. There are others who felt that received value from the experience. Itās always a fine line between opinion and defamation of character, or worse, libel.
Off ramp section? Check.
Walls of tl;dr text? Check.
Forum Veterans assembled? Check.
GIFS? Check and check.
This thread is now beating a dead horse. Please take your tickets and shred them - shows over!
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tl;dr [20 charsā¦]
Appreciate what you are trying to do but you werenāt here when this stuff was going down so you donāt understand. Surprisingly, this forum calls out things for what they are like fraud, āyou canāt afford this carā, ānegotiating in bad faithā, āBS feesā, etc. AND balances it with what is legal and ethical.
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Itās gotten to the point where a hackr familiar with he-who-shall-not-be-named cannot be sure that you are a separate individual or just another clone.
No need for witch hunting.
Heās believes in that persons template and process - that is his decision.
This thread delivered. Thanks for the entertaining read.
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