Looks awesome IMO. The back profile is beautiful and nostalgic 
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Canāt wait to start hating it in person
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From the back looks like a Mustang / Stinger hybrid with a 240sx insert. From the side Nissan Z, from the front again something KIAish with hints of Nissan in there. The interior is just a puked up early 2000s. Very weird aesthetic. But 400hp manual is a plus. Canāt wait to see these lowered, fart canned and rolling back at stop lights because people āthinkā they know how to drive a manual.
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These days you find less and less people who donāt know manual even considering it. Theyāll probably buy an auto-only Supra 4-cyl and go on and on about how the auto is āfasterā as if thatās the point.
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Oh I love those. But I was referring to specifically to the jackasses who really donāt know how to drive one, but think that they do. I truly, deeply honestly despise those people. I was in an uber a while back and the car was manual civic. The guy kept jerking the car so badly that I told him that if heās not going to stop Iām going to throw up, to which I got the lecture how thatās how manuals work and I donāt know shit about cars.
Everyone begs for manuals but the people that actually spend the money donāt buy them. There is a reason they have gone away. If people actually bought them rather then just talk about it they would be ubiquitous like they are in Europe.
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From the back looks like a Mustang / Stinger hybrid with a 240sx insert
To me it just looks like they were going for a modern take on the 300zx back and I think it looks good. Not sure where you get 240sx from, IMO those two look completely different. The mustang? Maybe the black strip between the tail lights but 300zx had this too. I guess the profile of the rear part of the roof has a bit of a mustang lookā¦ Agree that the interior is pretty ugly. Hopefully they have a few other options
Manuals and wagons - everyone (for the most part) likes them, but only select few buy them.
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If they sold these for less than 50k I would buy one. When I was younger I would have loved manual wagons, but the ones that existed were priced out what I could afford.
The only manuals around that I could afford were impractical sports cars. Looking at hatchbacks like the GTI; the manual take rate is generally very high.
If theyāre affordable, people would buy them,
Manufacturers simply donāt want to invest in selling manuals anymore and I do believe the whole āAmericans donāt buy manualsā is a lie. If the car was offered with desirable options and at an affordable price, Americans would buy it.
Right now the only choices are stripped down econoboxes worth 15k or super high priced 992 GT3.
Thereās very little in the 20k to 30k price range that isnāt a GTI.
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I would have agreed with you on the not wanting to invest in manuals if they disappeared overnight, but this has been a very long process. For cars that offered manuals as an option there were fewer and fewer takers over the years. It is very apparent that in majority of cases what people declare they want online usually doesnāt translate well into what they actually buy. Everyone wants sporty, manual, etc and then they go into the dealership and buy a mid-size suv because thatās what actually works for an average lifestyle.
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The only people that want manuals are a small niche of enthusiasts. They may be loud online but there really are very few people who want them.
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I hope people buy these. Itās not just manuals that are endangered but literally anything remotely sporty that isnāt a crossover.
The German brands look like theyāll keep splitting hairs in their umpteen CUV lineup; watch them come out with an X8 or GLS ācoupeā before coming up with a new Z4 or SLK.
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The only thing they updated was the dash interior which fell far behind on the last Z, the outside front looks like they put little to no effort in at all in designing. The back has that 80s vibe which isnāt bad, but overall this car is just wayyyy toooo bland to be a Z, sorry.
Dont ever change @vhooloo! This forum
wouldnt be the same without youš¤Ŗ
In seriousness, and I donāt say this because I am biased towards Camaros because they can be hacked nicely, but when I look at this I see a Camaro LT1 type of car for twice the money.
Different target audiences though.
No doubt, so many of our decisions we make on things like cars are totally subjective in nature. Enter advertising and marketing department hereš
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Looks great IMHO. Clean retro lines and a manual!
Already coming: https://www.motor1.com/news/525084/bmw-x8-hybrid-spy-video/
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