It will act as a hybrid and will charge the battery when you are slowing down mostly.
But I don’t think it will get anywhere near to 35mpg as a hybrid.
There is a recharge while driving option (i.e it will keep charging even if you are cruising at a fixed speed) I dont think that would give you much benefit though since it will burn more fuel to charge.
Yea idk. The more I research this vehicle the more I feel Jeep did it more for marketing/ to meet government guidelines rather than putting out an efficient well rounded vehicle. The pentastar V6 sounds like a better option.
For the month of October, the 2022 JGC 4xe mf jumped to .00410 for 36/10 with a rv 58%. That mf more than doubled from previous months. Payment difference is like $200/month. People taking that into consideration for a 36/10 lease?
If you are not gonna charge it of course 3.6L is better option. This vehicle is a plug in hybrid, you need to charge it to benefit from it.
For example you are driving around 25-30 mile every day, it will be much better choice than 3.6L.
17kw battery but usable 15kw meaning full charge is $2.4. Will get your daily commute covered.
Same 25-30 miles will cost you $4-$5 in gas or even higher depending on which state you are in. You will get ~50% saving in this case.
Basically the more you charge the more advantage you will get. + You get a 375hp vehicle vs. 293hp vehicle. It makes a difference in terms of performance.
It really depends how you use the 4xe. I get about 28miles on all electric in my Wrangler Rubicon 4xe. Have nearly 3k miles on it now, almost 75% have been all electric miles. I have a level 2 charger, so it gets charged regularly and used for around town driving.
Any opinions on flip potential for these early GC 4XEs? Assuming you get a base or lower trim with a decent discount plus the 7500 rebate passed along…
Potential is highest on the base but really won’t know until see if the inbounds sell and what the MMR is. I ordered a second one as a flyer to see if that will be the case but if there isn’t a market, it’s with Mitch so I’ll get my deposit back when it sells. The broker offers lately are pretty strong too and there’s always Farrish with no deposit.
If you’re in a state that has a higher tax rate and doesn’t give sales tax exemptions for Ev vehicles I’d say no. But as long as you can put a refundable deposit down until it plays out I don’t see the harm. I would never take delivery now without knowing if flipping was your only goal.
We are all throwing darts, but I would bet superior flip potential on the Summit, because they have a better chance of selling over MSRP. Some of the ICE GC Summits are going for $5K-$7K ADM.
EDIT: Rodo asking for $3K ADM on GC Summit 4xe
When the battery displays <1%, it behaves like a normal hybrid, regenerating power on decel and applying it on acceleration.
It wont get 35 mpg in this mode. Just as a rav 4 cant 4 wheel like a jeep or a sorento doesnt make near as much power, the jeep doesnt run as efficiently as they do. The power train is optimized for different uses.
Gas is $3.75 in lower NY right now. If your gas is $4-5 then I doubt your electric is .16/kw. But we can use .16 and $4. Driving 12k per year assuming 75% of time in electric(which is very high for most ppl) vs gas you would save roughly $575per year. The $7500 credit definitely helps but total cost still more expensive for 4xe. Add cost of level 2 charger which jeep doesn’t provide I don’t see much savings over gas personally.
Cool factor and added performance is nice I just think poor engineering if you can only get 1.6 miles/kw out of electric.
My base has an estimated delivery date of tomorrow. I’m in a state where we pay taxes monthly on the lease (not upfront). Incentives also aren’t taxed. I expect my cap cost to be 52,500ish
I haven’t been looking very long but my lower volume dealer has 2 base 4xe coming in that are not claimed yet and they’re asking msrp. Another dealer has a summit 4xe on lot that hasn’t moved. I didn’t stop to see what they’re asking. How much meat on the bone could there be if I’m seeing scenario’s like this? Then again each geographical area will be different.
I’ve seen a mix of markup and MSRP from the dealers around me but it’s clearly early. They gave allocation ahead of sold orders to get some on the lots so it’ll be interesting if that continues or they focus on cranking out the sold orders and these are harder to find inbound.
I mean possible Summit could be a better flip… depends on how the mix of builds work out.
If you ordered early your MSRP is at least 1500 less than current sticker even on a base add in the 7500 and any discount and there’s some margin to work with there.
And for sure it’ll depend on geography… guessing the bluer the state the more the clientele cares about a plug in.
For me if it’s a keeper I’ll probably buy it out and do sec 179 through my company after paying the CCAP lease a few months.
No your gas doesn’t need to be $4-5 for that calculation. 3.6L gets 19 city 26 hwy 22 combined. so you would need more than 1 gallon of gas to make 26-30 miles. In city it would cost you $5.1 to travel 26 miles with the gas price of $3.75/gallon.
Electric price I just used what you have quoted for 17KW.
Anyways if you are driving mostly city you would benefit much more from a plug in hybrid. My Wrangler 4XE (and it is a Rubicon) can make 30 miles in city with electric (my max was 33miles). Grand Cherokee would slightly be better. Highway battery depletes pretty quick.
So just the opposite of gas engines where your consumption reduces when you drive on hwy.
Also looks like you live in high electric cost state like me so the benefit gets smaller. You can check to see installing a second meter, in my state that can reduce my rate for the vehicle to $0.05. I guess at that point a full electric would even be better of course.
You have the added weight of gas engine and transmission + the losses of two engines working together etc. the efficiency of plug in hybrid will be lower than the all electric most of the time. I would assume it is still better than a Hummer ahahhaha.
Not trying to argue about it. I’m pro electric, just thought Jeep could have done a much better job especially since they’re late to the game. I think we’re both doing calculations related to our personal situations. I don’t live in a city, I live in suburbs. I’d probably get 24mpg gas and less than 25 miles on electric. When I drive somewhere it’s usually at 45-60mph. I’m not doing 35mph unless I’m in a parking lot lol. Also I don’t want to baby the pedal to squeak out 27 miles of range. I’ve enjoyed all 775lb of torque in my much heavier ford lightning and still managed 2.4 miles/kw.
The market is the true judge of a good vehicle. My opinion is that without the $7500 tax credit these things would sit on lots unless heavily discounted. Way overpriced for what you get. The same is not true for other EV/hybrids.
I think a lot of people dont understand that hybrids, phevs, and evs are all very different.
The gc 4xe may not do as well from an mpge perspective to your lightning, but the lightning’s range on gasoline is patheticly small. Wont even make it to the end of the driveway.
I haven’t been brave enough to sit down and do the math yet, but I know it’s not great.
Ohh thats for sure. Without the $7500 no doubt about it.
Thats what I am getting at may be it doesnt make sense with your usage but it may make sense for someone elses usage.
If you put the gas in your lawn mower and try to push the lighting, may be it makes it🤣