2018 Honda Civic Sport Touring Hatchback

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I finally got a new car, and I got the car I wanted. I don’t know how to figure out the MF, but I wanted to post the deal on the site. This site has really educated me, and I hope I don’t get feedback telling me that “I’m paying $335 for a Civic”, because this is not your regular Civic. I started this car search with this car literally being quoted to me in the mid 400’s, and as of yesterday, I was told by another dealer that he did everything he could and his best was $425. So I pretty much had come to the conclusion that I just couldn’t afford this car. I’m super happy with this deal, I got service thrown in and they’re going to Tint my windows. I look forward to hearing back from the experts as to what they think. Some might come back with the statement that I should have financed the car, but I just sold my last Civic to Carvana and made a $2350 profit, with a month left on my lease.

2018 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Touring
MSRP: $29645
Selling Price: $24949.99
Monthly Payment: $335
Cash Due at Signing: $500
Incentives:500

Months:36
Annual Mileage:12K
MF:?
Residual:14981.25

Region:Florida
Leasehackr Score:?

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What were the taxes, document fees, acquisition fees, DMV fees?

All those costs go into your lease.

I know you preambled with “don’t say 335 is too much for a Civic,” and I get why you would do that, but it really sounds like you’re not willing to accept criticism and thus the only intention of this post is to garner praise; which in my experience on here has been that hackr’s don’t hand out praised when asked for it… if anything, it invites negative discourse.

With that being said, you got the car about 1,500 below invoice which is what even the most aggressively discounted Hondas were going for from what I could tell (Civic invoice is roughly 2k under MSRP) and you only put enough down to cover a few of the drive-off fees. The 500 dollar incentive may be covering the rest of the drive-offs (military discount/student discount?).

12k miles a year is minimum for Honda lease and if you just leased now, then the MF rate should have been around .00093 for tier one or .00127 for tier two, I believe tier two is under 725 FICO score. What I find interesting is that the RV seems to be about 51% which is strange for a Civic.

The reason why people say “you should buy this car instead of lease” is because Hondas generally do not lease well due to average MF and VERY conservative residual values coupled with poor manufacturer incentives/lease support. Rarely do I see good incentives offered on Honda anything, let alone leases.

You were able to sell your previous Civic lease with positive equity because Honda vehicles have very conservative RVs set by Honda Financial Services… which means you’re paying too much for your lease from the get go. You should be breaking even on your lease if the market responds predictably, but Honda likes to err on the side of caution.

Anyways… I hope this helps. For what it’s worth, I think you got a great discount on a great car. However, I think 335 is way too much money for a Civic anything (unless it’s a Type R, then 400 to 500 is more appropriate) and I mostly feel that way because with either a broker’s help or with a little patience, I personally can get into an entry luxury sedan for around 350 a month (Q50, loaner 3-series/C-Class). Sure, it may not have as many features as the Civic, but it generally comes upmarket and with more powerful engines (AWD/RWD) and much more lease support.

You wanted a Honda Civic, so you got a Honda Civic, enjoy!

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Bruh you just wrote a school essay on a civic. Thank you though very informative.

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So I did, didn’t I?

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An Accord EX-L 2.0 would have likely been less, but enjoy your Civic! At the end of the day it still says Civic on the back no matter how “special” it is

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I would name her Petunia. Or Beatrice.

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Not bad. I like that name

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You’re 100% right, but I didn’t want an Accord.

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I very much appreciate your entire feedback. The problem w/ a car like a Q50, is I would have to get the Base model. I wanted my car to have the enhanced safety features, power seats, moonroof, etc. I kinda caught myself in bad situation when I sold my car to Carvana on Saturday. I had no car, and I don’t live in San Francisco anymore, I live in Florida, which like L.A, you MUST have a car. The Civic has a nice small turbo engine, that has some giddy up. Living in Florida, having AWD really doesn’t matter.

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The typre r is very special, but i dont think they even lease those. Hondas in general dont make much sense to lease, not great residuals, and they due to resale value they make much more sense to buy

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Just out of curiosity, is that the same 1.5L turbo engine that is giving them so much trouble with the CR-V? Or does the Civic Sport Touring get a different mill?

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Still a 1.5T engine, however tuned for about 180 hp compared to like 168hp in the non-Sport trim. In Si trim it makes 205hp.

Not sure if the 180 hp 1.5T is the one in the CR-V as well, makes sense if it is.

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I’d prefer a civic over a Q50 as well. The Q50 and Infiniti in general is like the Michael Kors of Luxury cars.

No women looks good with a Michael Kors bag

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It sounds like it’s the same Engine, although the issues have been reported mostly among cold weather drivers who tend to drive short distances. They recently recalled over 350k Civics and CR-Vs in China. They are supposedly readying a fix in the US this month starting in cold weather states.

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I think Honda recommends running the cars for longer periods of time. What exactly are the issues? Very possible stock battery isn’t anywhere near where it should be with CCA to survive cold-weather. Subaru had this issue with their cars in the NE because they INSIST on using CCA 390 batteries… My brother’s STi had a lot of trouble starting up in cold weather until he replaced it with a CCA 600 optima battery.

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Apparently oil is being diluted by gasoline, leading to stalling in some cases and gas odors in the cabin.

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Sounds like a possible seal issue… that’s not something really fixed with software, I don’t think. That’s going to possibly mean new engines!

Honda hasn’t been doing too hot with their engine department recently… just ask Fernando Alfonso.

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I’ve read that people with Accords are having issues as well. I was considering a 1.5 EX-L Navigation with the intent of purchasing at the end (job prospects post-graduation involve 60-mile commute), but Honda’s lethargic and unimpressive responsive has me looking elsewhere. Honda and Acura quality has gone downhill.
The CVT in some 13-17 Accords have had issues, the 9-speed transmission in the Pilot Elites and TLX are failure-prone, and the 8-speed DCT is riddled by complaints. Definitely not as reliable as in the past (but with leasing who cares)

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In fairness it sounds like McLaren was full of it, their car is a dog with the Renault engine too. The Honda power unit hasn’t been bad from a reliability standpoint this year, Red Bull might challenge for the title with the added power and reliability vs the Renault engine they have now. Poor Fernando…

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Have Hondas really been all that reliable to being with? Like… really? Has anyone stopped to actually look at their history of recalls and TSBs?

Constantly riddled throughout transmission and engine issues across the range. I’ve seen Civics and Accords last 300k miles and that generally is the experience people have, but I’ve also seen their 5-speed automatics fail at 80k and their 6-speed manual transmissions seem to just pop-out 3rd when they feel like it.

Let’s not even get into their issue with turbo-charging engines and heat soak. VTEC is great and I love the NSX, but holy hell Honda struggles with turbo-engines.

Kinda did it for me when I saw their terrible deal with Mclaren go sour in F1 due to multiple engine failures. They did so well in the early 90’s :(.

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