CA has a very High cost of living, but we also have plenty of job opportunity in the cities. If you have the skill and brain to keep up, it’s the place for you. If you are a low skill worker, it’s a horrible place for you to be.
I moved here from the east coast several years ago, I still can’t believe some of the things that go on here. Some are good, some are bad. You just have to see if the good outweights the con for you, can’t just sit and complaint all day. My mortgage is high, but the house also appreciated 400k in 2 years. I am not getting that in anything other than maybe 10 cities in the us.
Btw, California has the Bay Area, Los Angeles Area, San Diego Area, rest of it are pretty much f**ked
If you drive a civic for commute, no track events, you can easily pull off 60k on a set of break if not more.
Brake wear is not in favorite for Tesla in general because their weight. Regen does help, how much really depend on one drive habit. In fact, if anything, I think Model 3 brakes are under design, especially for the front. Quite small rotors for the weight of the car.
Hiring a bunch of day laborers and migrant workers to work your field might be great for the owners, but that’s not a path to success for the entire population.
There are plenty of people who have driven their EV for the life of their car and 100K miles and have not replaced the pads and still have plenty to go. If you ask an EV forum who doesn’t drive harsh and has had to replace their brake pads, you will get close to zero responses.
ok, you win. The BEV is, by far, the greatest invention since sliced bread. Nothing else compares, even at it’s exorbitant upfront cost in comparison to an ICE. The Tesla Model 3 is the world’s greatest car, just in front of the Model S + X. Tesla Fanbois know everything about cars, and we should use their opinions as gospel. The Model 3 will run forever. The Model 3 should be in everyone’s driveway. Paint runs and misaligned panels be damned. The minimalist interior with the computer in the center that drives everything in the car is the second greatest invention just behind the car itself. Elon Musk should be not only the President of the US, but the leader of the entire world. We should pray to him daily.
I agree with you it is mostly a California thing, where high gas prices, car pool lane access, free work place charging, high pollution, and other advantages make EVs very interesting. Soon it will also be a luxury car thing. And growing in the supercar segment. Price trend is going down. It is only a matter of time before you get one. Maybe ten years. As far is Elon goes, we all have our faults, including Elon. Elon is very driven, a risk taker, smart and gets the job done. Example of fault: frequently gives overly optimistic dates.
I don’t have a problem with an EV. I do, however, have a problem paying 60k to be a guinea pig, or to buy a car that has poor fit/finish at that price point either. Infrastructure isn’t quite as robust outside of California. I don’t want to have to twiddle my thumbs for 30 mins to “fill up my tank” should the need arise, let alone find a charging station when gas stations are a dime a dozen. Nothing in the EV realm excites me at the current time, and I think most of them are quite ugly, or cost too much. When I can snag a well built, reasonably priced EV that looks good and can charge in as little time as it takes for me to pump my gas for the 300 bucks I’m paying for my 3 series, I’ll be interested. At the present time, the only thing I might consider would be a Volt, which isn’t a true BEV.
I’d be hard pressed to ever lease a Tesla TBH, let alone buy one, at least in the near term. One of the legacy automakers, that’s a different story. The guy running the show at Tesla is too unpredictable and out in left field somewhere, and is in too much of a hurry to build the cars he’s trying to build. Case in point…the brake fiasco recently that CR discovered. That should’ve been handled internally by Tesla’s R+D department. Makes you wonder what else they may have skipped or looked over in R+D. Maybe I’d consider them should they be around in 10 years and prove they know how to build a car the first time around, instead of expecting the new owner to have it repaired immediately after taking the keys.
In 10-15 years though, I’ll be in my early-mid 50s, and ready for my big boat Cadillac.
I actually have one in my drive way now. I really want to write up a review of the model 3 from a non-owner or non fan boy point of view, maybe a bit later after I have used it enough.
So far, there are deftinitly a few goods, but more bads for a $62K out the door price tag. ($35K base + $9k long range + $5k premium + $8K full auto + 9% tax). And just to be caution, the car with premium package already have a very cheap interior. I wonder what will the $35K one looks like. But it also looks like we won’t see one for along time.
Not sure who is “killing” the state, but I think that’s a completely different conversation. Almost every state is in the pension hole, along with the federal govt.
“Tesla Model 3 wait times slashed”
Not for service! Elon said Tesla is almost out of “production hell”, but sounds like it has just entered another hell: service hell.
You truly have to be a fanboi to overlook almost all of these things when plunking down 60k on a car…wow. This really amazes me. That’s like paying full price for a new refrigerator with a big dent on the front of it, except on a much much larger scale.
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Add to that the wide variety of Model 3 quality problems reported on Tesla customer forums, including broken glass, bad paint jobs, body panel gaps, dead batteries, wind noise, dents, scratches and software problems including door locks and weirdly behaving touch screens
I don’t think you are getting the point, the 60k isn’t about the fit and finish. It has more to do with what’s powering the car. It might sound odd to you, but some people enjoy driving a car with no tailpipe emission or they enjoy a car with torque or the overall experience. Outside of Tesla, there are simply no other bev cars that can go more than 200 miles at this time. Even if you can get above 200 miles (bolt is the only car), you Will still have a tough time finding a station that can charge more than 50kwh on chademo or ccs. Tesla can charge at nearly double the speed. Guess what, they have a monopoly in this space. There is a reason why people are willing to pay 100k for a sedan or SUV. It’s expensive no matter how you look at it, but let me know if you have another option out. There is a reason why they have a waiting list for a $50k car.
Of course the autopilot is another big factor
Btw I think you are just misinformed, you are certainly not a troll like some of the other guys. I recommend you rent one for a weekend on Turo and see what you think. I think you will realize why people buy them. While some people love to brand chase, but there are more to the car than just the brand. They are just a little bit different, you will know if you have one.
It’s not a car little people like myself can afford, if money is no object then there’s allot of great products out there. It’s a niche car for rich people in California that want to drive in the carpool lane.
To piggyback off of @joeblogs, and maybe it’s partially because I don’t need a carpool sticker, but I just can’t see paying that much money on a car that will likely be flawed cosmetically. Driving dynamics aside, as I’m sure the instant torque is great, that’s a helluva lot of coin to throw down on something that isn’t as “perfect” as another make’s car on another lot. You can also get a lot more car for your money elsewhere.
I guess it’s a cultural thing in CA. I just don’t see it being an east coaster I guess.
I get that the car is expensive no matter how you look at it, but everything is relative. What’s expensive to you might be average or cheap to other people. Just because it is something you can’t afford, I don’t know why it would lead to bunch of hates and trolls (not saying you btw) It’s just weird. I know everyone loves to point to the shorts, but I don’t see that many people shorting Tesla stocks at an individual level. I think some are just jealous and of course you have the hardliners who hates everything that millenials love
As far is Elon goes, we all have our faults, including Elon. Elon is very driven, a risk taker, smart and gets the job done. Example of fault: frequently gives overly optimistic dates.