Agree to disagree. I test drove both and they are crap from fit and finish, noise, layout, comfort. They are mediocre offerings with a lot of marketing hype and a bunch of butthurt people defending their choices. If it wasn’t for a fake shortage they would be in a discount bin
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For a ~$48k purchase price, what’s better out there?
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Depends on what you are looking for and what features are important. Just an overgeneralized 3 row suv for that price range?
A 3-row SUV with surround view AKA bird’s eye camera
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The infotainment UX was comically bad. The motor was bland. The front end and back end styling were gorgeous. Doubly so with nightfall trim. The amber drl also stunning in that box shape.
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And we are back to folding mirror conversation now :). You will dismiss every suv in existence for surround view camera? Then yes hyundai is truly the brand for you.
You could have also used the restarted side view with blinker to disqualify everything. You drive one of those don’t you?
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A lot of SUVs have surround view cameras at some trim level. For example on the Highlander it’s optional on Limited and standard on Platinum iirc.
How was that some unfair criteria?
You are creating a universe of one with the price to feature lock that you know full we’ll requires different trim levels on different cars. Which leads me to believe that you are actually in the criteria I originally mentioned of people who have palisade or telluride and will defend it.
If you are willing to sacrifice everything for a single feature that’s up to you, as is your choice of cars. To me those cars are garbage not worth the materials they are made of.
I have a palisade. Max does not.
I chose the palisade after looking at everything else on the market and failed to find anything that could compete for a better lease price, much less purchase price. The only near competitor that offered what I wanted for a similar lease price was an xc90, but due to some geometry issues with my shoulders, it doesn’t work.
One of the things that disqualified a lot of the vehicles I looked at was I wanted something with a well performing semi-autonomous driving capability. Beyond that, I wanted a good amount of storage space and a modern quality interior. Not exactly super specific options, other than the semiautonomous driving capabilities.
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I’m not even going to debate this as there is no real standardized way of comparing them and at the end of the day all of these systems have let’s call them quirks.
My requirements here weren’t that ridiculous. Does the lane follow actually work well enough to follow lanes in the highway at cruising and bumper to bumper speeds and does the acc work well enough to be useful in stop and go traffic without being jarring.
Why do condoms come in different sizes? 
I’m curious to hear your thoughts on a GV80 since you seem to hate any luxury car that isn’t from a luxury brand…
Saved Tiger in one hell of a crash - good enough for me.
Must… Resist… Bait…
It’s not bait. I’ve driven one and been inside them. I want to hear why you think it sucks at that price point.
Not that I know you think it sucks, but given your position on literally everything else in this space…
I didn’t say anything about Genesis, I said Hyndai and Kia suck.
I don’t have enough exposure to genesis to form too much of an opinion. I know I’m not a fan of the interior design and outside is mostly stolen from 9ther brands.
It’s also very hard to launch and maintain a succesfull spin off luxury brand. Infinity is failing, acura is a premium brand and not luxury, etc, etc. When you get into a certain price range competing against established brands is challenging. Why would someone spend x on brand x when there is a tried and true at the same price range. So packaging and gimmicks start playing into it, but the real trick is breaking into a badge prestige game.
I can type more when I’m at the computer if you want, this is pretty much my limit in the phone.
5 years ago, I would agree with you. Recently, they have developed a pretty unique design style
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Genesis logo is reworked chrysler logo of old. The first time I saw it i thought it was the new 300 version.
And Genesis needs a better overall experience to be taken seriously. This shared dealer experience with Hyndai is lame and if they want to be taken seriously it needs to go away.
But again, to me Korean cars are a non starter from the designs to dealerships to car feel. For others they work and good for them, that’s why we have so many brands and so many opinions.
This is dated bs. ROK has exceptional manufacturing standards. And they stand behind things. The long term warranties changed the entire brands for Kia and Hyundai. They also compete on price—so materials are often not top tier. But I think you’re painting with too broad a brush here.
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