Out of State EQE Deal Check - Registering in IL (Chicago)

Hi all,

Looking for a deal check, specifically around the taxes included as it isn’t penciling out quite as I expected, but all feedback appreciated!

Deal is with an out of state dealer, and will be registering in Illinois / Chicago (aware of the double taxation issues).

Car: EQE SUV (former loaner, 1k miles)
MSRP: $88,535
Selling Price: $64,478 (27.2% discount)
Incentive: $7,500 EV (on top of above discount)
State: IL
Terms: 36 month, 7.5k miles
MF: 0.00172
Residual: 51% ($45,153)
Note: Doing as a one-pay (although don’t think they are applying a MF reduction), and also including lease protection for $1.8k (wife wants it for peace of mind).

Following the advice on many of the Chicago deal threads to roll IL taxes, then add to fees and run Chicago taxes (linked below), I believe the deal should look like this in the calculator

Chicago Lease Tax Thread referenced
https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/understanding-lease-tax-calculations-in-illinois/414/43

Not sure why my calculator link isn’t formatted correctly so posting as a reply below.

Thank you for any and all feedback!

https://leasehackr.com/calculator?make=Mercedes-Benz&miles=7500&msrp=88535&sales_price=64478&months=36&mf=.00172&msd=0&dp=0&dealer_fee=2025&acq_fee=795&disp_fee=595&taxed_inc=7500&untaxed_inc=0&rebate=0&resP=51&gov_fee=3477&sales_tax=9&demo_mileage=0&memo=2024%20Mercedes-Benz%20EQE%20EQE%20350%204MATIC%20SUV%20%0A-%20Ran%20calculator%20with%2010.5%25%20taxes%20to%20capture%20IL%20(9.5%25%20but%20is%2010.5%25%20effective%20-%209.5%25%2F(1-9.5%25)%20)%0A-%20Added%20those%20into%20government%20fees%20on%20top%20of%20the%20%24456%20license%20fees%20for%20total%20of%20%243%2C477%0A-%20Re%20ran%20calculator%20with%209%25%20taxes%0A-%20Lease%20protection%20for%20%241%2C825%20added%20to%20dealer%20fees%20in%20addition%20to%20%24200%20doc%20fee%0A-%20Doesn%E2%80%99t%20look%20like%20MF%20discount%20for%201-pay%20has%20been%20factored%20in%2C%20so%20kept%20flat%200.00172%20MF&tradein=0&fin_sp=88130&fin_taxed_fee=0&fin_untaxed_fee=0&fin_term=60&fin_apr=0&fin_dp=0&fin_rebate=0&fin_ps_rebate=0&fin_tax=0&keep_term=60&exp_rv=0&service_fee=0&monthlyTax_radio=true&bmw_demo_25=true&lease_result_mode=true&dealerFee_check=false&govFee_check=false&pretax_monPmt=690&lease_das=1427

Deal itself:


Concern is on the taxes, as the Chicago specific 9% tax isn’t showing up where I’d expect, although I think the total tax amount is close

Just don’t want to end up paying an additional large tax amount when getting the car registered in Chicago

$35k one-pay? Hell no. You see anyone in Signed Deals & Tips paying that much for an EQE?

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It’s a $27.5k one-pay, including lease protection, and hopefully all Chicago taxes rolled in (~20%, when factoring in State and City double taxation)

The way it’s listed out in the lease isn’t how I’d expect, which is why I am concerned if the taxes are being done correctly as dealer is out of state

There’s a lot of incentives buried in that number.

Needs to be broken out.

Thank you, agree

Outside $6k in Fleet that I assume they would be including to get to the $64.5k, and then the $7.5k EV which would be taxable, I assume it would be dealer discount?

Thought I had a good sense in MF/Residuals/Taxes, etc with the numbers I was discussing with them at first, but then seeing the final deal, their tax numbers seem off, which has me questioning the other parts of the deal.

Seems like I should just walk away, given I can’t get things to tie properly.

That still works out to over $750 a month, which I don’t know is considered a good deal or not for an EQE. You are paying all the taxes upfront. Is that typical for a lease in the Chicago area?

It seems to me you might be better off just keeping the 36 month lease and put down maximum MSDs.

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Its not a 26% discount its 17% pre-incentive

I have a 87.7K sticker at 26.6K One Pay for Chicago - IF you have sams/Penfed/AAA etc-

Thanks, this was at $25k one-pay, but then pointed out that I didn’t think they were calculating taxes correctly, and then added in lease protection for $1.8k, which is why it’s now at $27.8k one-pay

I’ve just lost confidence that they have the taxes done correctly for the ~10% Illinois/Cook County taxes, and then the 9% city taxes on top of that.

Just don’t want to be left covering an extra couple thousand if it’s done incorrectly.

Not opposed to the type of deal you just offered, if it has taxes done right and is already in the state to not deal with shipping / registering it

Appreciate all the feedback

The total tax of 5431.91 is way off and is much too high. This is what happens when an out of state dealer calculates taxes for another state… they have no clue! Also, in a one-pay, it is not necessary to capitalize fees. Why on earth would they cap sales tax!? Structuring a lease properly means everything and is your responsibility to know how it should be done as well as how to perform the calculations. The 1825 lease protect sounds like a lot of bs to me.

You’re allowing the dealer to control the deal. You need to take control. Are you absolutely sure that the sales tax rate is 9.00%?

BTW, the MF = .00164 which is what the dealer used.

Below is how I would structure the lease…

Use the 7500 rebate as a cap reduction…

Gross Cap 64478.00 (sell price)
CCR 7500.00
Adj. Cap 56978.00
RV 45152.85
MF .00164
Term 36
Sales tax rate 9.00%

Base Pay = .00164 x (56978.00 + 45152.85) + (56978.00 - 45152.85)/36
= 495.97

One-Pay = 36 x 495.97
= 17854.92

Upfront Charges

One-Pay 17854.92
One-Pay Tax 1606.94
CCR Tax 675.00
ACQ Fee 1095.00
ACQ Tax 98.55
Doc Fee 200.00
Doc Tax 18.00
Title 165.00
License 251.00
DAS 21964.41

I did not include the 1825 bs fee. If you want it, add it but don’t forget the tax.

Your DAS is 21964.41 and your one-pay is 17854.92. Don’t let some a-hole tell you differently. The One-pay amount must be dead on accurate as it is used to compute future lease balances in the event you wish to buy or trade the vehicle. As you can see, your total tax is 2398. 49… a far cry from 5431.91.

If I were you, I would craft a lease proposal (example below which is drastically different than yours)) and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often order takers and lack knowledge.

All numbers should be accurate otherwise, you’ll lose credibility. Negotiate via phone/email. Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. Moreover, it’s helpful to know the terms and conditions of the lease contract such as early termination liability criteria and purchase option criteria as well as lease amortization methodology and excess wear/tear criteria. If all is as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign right away. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t transparent or is uncooperative or showing signs of incompetence, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

Leasing is time-consuming and requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. However, if you’re willing to commit your time and resources, always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

??? Let me know.

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Thanks @delta737h

Completely agree on your advice. Sales tax for Chicago / Illinois is combined closer to 20%. The 9% in the calculator is being applied to account for city use taxes, after running the calc with 10.5% taxes Illinois / Cook County.

Have tried using your approach from other threads on calcing Chicago taxes, and total one pay numbers were very in line with the dealer numbers as I flexed from monthly to one-pay during initial discussions.

I think the issue was they were not using appropriate tax rates to get to those numbers, while I was, which I caught when I first saw the full deal. They went back and re-worked it with correct taxes, but I’ve just lost comfort that they are applying all Illinois/Cook County/Chicago use taxes appropriately in this now.

Will lead with your approach in the future vs. just asking them to get to the right monthly, which leaves room for error in tax rates they use, etc.

I can’t think of a worse place to lease than Chicago due to high taxes which is why I asked if you were sure of the 9% tax rate. Anyway, good luck!

Agree, thought there was some decent discounts around on EQE loaners, but end of the day probably easier to just buy something else.

The taxes seem close now that they have corrected, but Chicago taxes seem so hard to nail down correctly, probably out of my depth trying to do anything with an out of state dealer, and I’ve lost faith in them doing it correctly.

Don’t want the city coming after me in a few months for more taxes. Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated.

And on that note, if there are any Chicago based brokers that would be willing to help work this deal / know the ins and outs of bring in a car from out of state, please reach out. Thanks.

If you can get the correct sales tax rate, I can accurately compute Chicago tax. It is very easy to calculate as it would not be capitalized. If it’s capped, then you would need to look at the Illinois sales tax pdf I wrote and posted on this site in several different threads. It does get complicated.

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