New to leasing. 12mo into 36mo 2025 Toyota Camry lease. What are my options?

Initially I did not know what I was getting into, had zero help, and was freaking out over potentially losing my job due to an irreparable mechanical failure with my primary vehicle and my boss never gave me pay stubs on time. I leased for the wrong reasons; didn’t actually want the car, just needed one desperately and thought it would be cheaper than Uber (was I wrong). I was talked into it by a friend of my Dad’s after he mentioned that I wouldn’t have to worry about mechanical failure on a lease. But all the leases were new and expensive and this was my only option (that I could see) at the time due to circumstances. I effed up and didn’t even know what I was signing. Credit came back 150 points lower than I thought it was and I was freaking out and this was my only chance to acquire a vehicle.

Currently the payment is 580/mo and the insurance is about 220. Together, that’s nearly half my monthly income going into just the car alone. I always made my payments on time and I’m trying to move out and though I can just keep making the payments, I essentially have to put my life on pause for the next two years and instead of putting money into something I own, I have to put money into something I don’t while continuing to live with my mother.

I heard that it’s possible to sell a lease early or buy one out. The dealer also told me I could buy the car out for 40% of its value at the end of the lease but never gave me a copy of the contract. Honestly a lot of this doesn’t make any sense. I didn’t think the financial burden was going to outweigh the burden of vehicles always breaking down. I’m always seemingly buying someone else’s problem and often made the mistake of letting someone drive my vehicle and being too rough with it.

I’ve learned my lesson. But I have no idea how to move forward with it and I feel trapped not understanding anything.

Thanks

You never got a copy of the contract? Call Toyota FS or whatever bank has your lease and get a copy of it. There is also no way you can buy it out for 40% at the end of the lease. The Camry has a 36 month residual of over 60%. You are actually leasing a car that will hold its value pretty well, but you need to know your current buyout before anyone can give you any advice.

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Post a copy of the first three pages and the early termination section of your contract. I’ll analyze it.

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I wouldn’t freak out too much. It’s likely not as bad of a situation as it might feel. Go ahead and find the details of your lease agreement. You can at least log in to where you make your payments and call the number asking for a payoff amount. I will already bet that you’re in way better shape than someone who didn’t know what they were doing and paid full price for some new EV.

The site says the contract is unavailable but it shows me the payoff amount: $33,000

I accidentally edited and deleted my other comment

It is unlikely that your car loan payments will be less than the lease payments. How are you planning to solve that issue? Find the interest rate on your lease contract then find out your current credit score then find out what interest rate you can get on a car loan.

First rule… vet the fund provider’s payoff figure. Second rule…never trust the dealer. Third rule… always be in control.

Leasing is time-consuming and requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time or interest to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. However, if you’re willing to commit your time and resources, be sure to always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

FWIW-

Monthly Payment Adjusted Lease Balance and Buyout Calculations.pdf (971.2 KB)

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Post the contract, car like Camry lease might be cheaper to terminate the lease

They never gave me the contract and when I try to pull it up on the site, it says it’s unavailable. I reached out to SETF support about it but no response.

I try to educated myself, but I see a lot of mixed and conflicting info out there

You’ll get accurate information from me if you’re interested.

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So far, I’ve gotten more clear information from a few replies here than anywhere, even youtube

Sounds like you’re making progress. Here’s some more for future reference…

Do a deep dive and research a reasonable selling price in your market. Sometimes, dealers embed rebates in their discount. Keep them separate but recognize that transparency may become an issue. Secure a copy of the factory window sticker. Check for non-factory add-ons or dealer-installed options. If possible, eliminate those you don’t need or want. Get a list of customer rebates, incentives, and credits (e.g., electric chargers) including VIN-specific discounts, if any. The dealer has such a list. GM calls this list the Customer Incentive Acknowledgement form which includes mandatory rebate and incentive disclosures. Restrictions may apply to the extent that some rebates may not be required disclosures such as college grad, military, educators, AMEX, Costco, etc.

Organize all researched and vetted data, fictitious example tabled below, with the goal of creating a lease proposal that reflects your target deal. The idea is to create your own deal, not replicate or reverse engineer the dealer’s deal.


Rebates are usually treated in one of two ways: (1) Allocate a portion of the rebates to cover lease inception fees with any remaining balance used as a CCR, or (2) Use the entire rebate as a CCR.

Next, perform monthly payment calculations shown below.

Base Pay = .00161 x (36688.30 + 30531.20) + (36688.30 - 30531.20)/24 = 364.77

Contractual Pay = 1.1075 x 370.88 = 403.98

Now, table all lease inception fees and how they are to be paid. Depending upon how the CCR is calculated (there are several different formulas) will determine the amount due at delivery (signing). Suggest that the CCR be calculated so that DAS = 0 or DAS = 1st payment plus gov. fees. I calculated the CCR so that DAS = 0. As a side note, I would not capitalize non-taxable fees such as taxes and gov. fees. In those states that tax the payments, you’ll pay tax on capped non-taxable fees. As such, it’s suggested that non-taxable fees be paid at lease inception whenever possible.


Observe that the 14000 rebate exactly covers the CCR as well as all lease inception fees including 1st payment.

Bottom line: Zero drive-off followed by 23 monthly payments of 403.98 each.

Commentary

No need to pay large out of pocket cash upfront especially with large rebates. If cash is used as a cap reduction, you could lose most or all of it in the event the vehicle is stolen or totaled. Remember, a car is a depreciating asset and an expense, not an investment. Use the cash to invest in goods and services or other more meaningful and productive investments, particularly if you can earn the equivalent of an after-tax rate of return exceeding 24 x MF or, 24 x .00161 = 3.864% in this example.

It’s very foolish and nonproductive to waste hours sitting in a dealership negotiating. You’ll get dizzy watching some salesperson running back and forth. This can be a huge distraction. You need time to think and formulate questions within the privacy of your own home. This leads me to suggest…

Craft a lease proposal (example below- the round peg, round hole won’t work) and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often Mickey D order takers and lack knowledge. Be sure to contact the SM first to let them know you’re emailing them a one-page lease proposal b/c you want to close the deal today or, at the very latest, tomorrow. Send the proposal as soon as you hang up. It must be comprehensive, authoritative, professional-looking, and flawless otherwise, you’ll lose credibility.


Negotiate via phone/email. Be nice but firm. Explain to them that it is your practice not to deal with multiple dealers simultaneously as it is poor business practice and that you refuse to play games like “can you match or beat this”. Above all, say what you mean and mean what you say. Remember that local dealers know each other. Speak in a commanding and business-like voice that exudes confidence. Unless they’re very stupid, once they see your fabulous proposal it will speak volumes. They’ll immediately know it’s time to put away their toys and board games as it’s time to get down to business absent all the BS.

Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. Moreover, it’s helpful to know the terms and conditions of the lease contract such as early termination liability criteria and purchase option criteria as well as excess wear/tear criteria. If all terms are as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign asap. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t transparent or is uncooperative or showing signs of incompetence, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

Leasing is time-consuming and requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time or interest to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. However, if you’re willing to commit your time and resources, be sure to always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

??? Let me know.

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Thanks. That’s honestly a lot to take in. I won’t be leasing again in the future. I honestly shouldn’t have done it in the first place. I made the decision to lease out of panic and I’m trying to find the best possible way to get out of it. I’m not sure if I wanna buy the car out or what. I would much rather go with a cheaper vehicle that doesn’t come with a bunch of restrictions. At least if it wasn’t a lease, I could do Doordash or something but they told me I can’t use the vehicle for commercial use.

Good luck!

Go on Carvana or CarMax for now and at least get an idea of its trade in value. I doubt it will be higher than $33k, depends on trim and miles, etc. But you can get an idea of how underwater you are- if at all.

If you are underwater, then it would be hard to get into another vehicle without compounding your initial mistake. Meaning, rolling in that negative equity into a cheaper vehicle, the problem is still there, just worse. So I would advise against that unless under certain circumstances.

If by chance you do have equity or at least are at a break even (which would be highly unlikely) you could at that point get out of your car and use the help of the forum here to find the best deal possible.

For folks like you who aren’t in the best financial circumstances (we’ve all been there) it’s always tricky. You may not have the cash available to buy a cheap, reliable car for under $10k. And financing is horrendous on cheap, older cars as no banks want to touch it. So you are left with predatory buy here pay here loans. Or you have to stretch your budget and finance/lease a new car for $30k. (This is how Nissan is still in business FYI.)

Or if you do have a couple grand to get something, chances are it’s going to require a lot of cash in repairs to keep it on the road. Sometimes you get lucky and find a grandpa selling his crown Vic that will run another 100k miles problem free.

For what it’s worth, I would stay off Reddit and YouTube for questions that you have about this. You will get snarky assholes who think they know everything. You’ll end up more scared or confused after listening to them. I’m biased, but you will get the best advice on here for anything car finance related.

Anyways it’s not the end of the world. You didn’t royally fuck up. I wouldn’t swear off leasing. It’s hard to say if you got badly screwed or not without getting more details. But it sounds like you got a mediocre deal and unfortunately you might have to live with that for a couple more years. You live and you learn.

If he’s anywhere close to break even he can always pay it off and get a cheap EV (although insurance can be a problem in EVs…)

I think I have equity. There’s only 8000 miles on it and I get 12000 per year. I’m at the end of my first year. I was also wondering if it’s possible to transfer the lease to someone else who might want it. Does Southeast toyota finance allow that?

I doubt anyone would want to take over your lease at that payment. And if you had equity, you would just take the cash instead.

That’s just another way of saying you’re assuming. Don’t.

Get some bids to know your exact equity situation (Which is more of a function of what you paid rather than whether you’ve driven fewer miles than allowed).