No problem there if people just follow his instructions - text, call or email him directly. No need for PMing at all
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Therein lies a huge problemâŚnobody follows directions as noted with the âpm me pleaseâ posts after he supplies those directions. That you canât fix. Although, I suppose locking the thread may assist in that regard as it forces someone to actually read and comprehend the directions if they want a reply.
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Brokers should just post a Google sheet that is viewable to all.
Lock the thread from public comments. No need to update the thread with whatâs gone and whatâs been added. Itâs all in the sheet.
It is only Cody and a couple other dealers who are barred by their own set of rules from posting a sheet publicly
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Yes.
Yes! 101010101
Yes, it has been.
have T-shirt for that with âCommon sense is so rare itâs kind of like a superpowerâ.
Thus far got a lot of approval nods
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This is how it looks sometimes on mobile with some of the threads
Why do you need to list every model under the sun in the name if itâs about Toyota for example?
Another thing Iâve noticed recently is the increase in hyperbole and emojis⌠very âsalesmanyâ imho. If we could tone down the AMAZING INCREDIBLE IRRESISTIBLE CRAZY deals itâd look more refinedâŚ
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This is good feedback. I donât want to speak for all brokers, but I can only assume itâs because weâre worried this new format is not going to draw enough attention.
The draw to look at a spreadsheet may not be as strong as seeing an individual deal for a stellar price with all of the numbers displayed.
I really do think we should poll the community and let the members decide 
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As a non-broker, I agree the new format is confusing and more cumbersome. Tons of scrolling since you have to go back to the original post in the thread and hard to follow as the contents of the posts are changing regularly. Not clear when a new car posted and almost impossible to get historical comps on similar deals. Some posts now are essentially general advertisements with vague details on 1 deal.
It definitely wasnât perfect, but the old way was better from a viewing and searching perspective.
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Historical comps on a car really donât matter much though IMO as thereâs never a guarantee programs will be as strong as they were in the past. This monthâs programs are what you can get, so last month, at 100/mo less really doesnât make a difference. As an example, everyone was waiting for the GM Asian conquest to return this year in March as it had the last 2 yearsâŚand it never came.
This is also going to be a major issue with regard to what format is used moving forward. At the end of the day, itâs never going to get 100% buy in what ever way is ultimately decided.
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Why dont we just take it to a vote?
So we take it to voteâŚthen what? From this thread alone, you have people that like it and people that donât. So youâre still back to square 1 if you end up returning to the old way or leaving it as is.
I think at this point, feedback is more beneficial so that tweaks and fine tuning can be done to try to appease a wider audience. Itâs never going to get 100% buy in no matter what you do, but at least allowing for feedback and ideas can attempt to appease as big an audience as possible.
TBH, and IMO, the brokers on this site shouldnât have a say in how the format is laid out. It should be the average Joe. The broker as a business shouldnât drive the answer to the user experience.
Would you expect McDonalds to change the Big Mac because the franchise owners arenât happy with the product but the customer is?
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I would assume we go with the format of the majority vote.
Agreed that previous ads are irrelevant to a certain extent, but the forum is an important research tool for many of us. When we pull up ads from previous a month, we can see discounting, MF, incentives, etc. It also show trends by time of year for a particular manufacturer or even region.
Deals were also regularly linked when someone was asking to assess a deal or lease transfer.
There is a wealth of information in historical ads for some of us which is lost in the current format.
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Trends are only as good as the Captives make them. Back to my GM exampleâŚthose that were waiting for a blowout lease on a Chevy in March because the last 2 years had good deals, missed out this year, and shouldâve taken advantage in December. So trends meant nothing in that regard.
BMW had 71% residuals back in Dec of 16 on outgoing MY 3 series. A year later, in the same month, they were 66% with a 40 BP increase in MF. Iâm not sure how trends would be beneficial here either outside of kicking yourself in the pants for not taking a deal earlier. But then again, you can never predict what the future will hold so thereâs no way to know at the time.
You proved my point⌠I can see the ads and assess the differences in RV, MF, and incentives which made your 3-series deal great and why itâs not repeatable 3 months later.
Also, closed deals the same month or previous month are likely still very relevant for people. $300/month for a $50K 328d last month was not good when people were getting them as low as $150/month and that information could be lost with the current format.
Lastly, I feel that historical deals gives more creditability to the brokers who consistently have awesome deals with specific makes.
Thatâs how I use LH and found value in it. You clearly do not but Iâm sure Iâm not alone.
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Why not to think of a mix approach?
I agree on one side that dumping all cars from one broker/deals adds extra steps to find a gem.
As far as I see most broker/dealer know what lease best and not this months.
So why not put all car into one thread and add another one for unicorns? But be strict in headline being just year/model/monthly/term/das without 1000s of words describing how unicorny this unicorn is.
For example Tacoma and Tundra are great while Camry isnât. Or Rouge is great while Pathfinder isnât. So add separate thread for awesome Tacoma/Tundra/Rouge and stuff all others in general monthly thread?
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What a fee to join for regular users? I would gladly pay a one time fee to join the community of 50-100 to get rid of this new format. Also it would spread the cost burden to all of us and maybe help lower broker fees, and allow brokers to know that people pmâing them are actually serious about engaging in business, win win for all.
Youâre likely in the minority. Many of the new people joining expect to be spoonfed and think theyâre entitled to everything for free. It would shrink the size of the community exponentially
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The issue here is everyoneâs definition of a unicorn is different so the term âunicornâ would need defined and adhered to.
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