Need your help , chase is not honoring residual buy back in contract

My lease with Land Rover/ chase is due up oct 31. I began my search for a new vehicle a few months ago, and when I got an offer from a BMW dealer to buy out my lease, the equity came up around $2600 short of what I figured based on their offer and my residual. It turns out that they called chase to get my residual, and it was DIFFERENT than my contracted residual buy out. I started process to figure out why with chase, as I had a bit of time before I was going to trade car in. This was the beginning of an ongoing ridiculously frustrating experience. My first inquiry was in August, which after 1 hour on the phone with folks who’s English was suspect at best, I finally was transferred to someone who told me they would start an inquiry, and I would have a decision in 5-7 business days. Fast forward to 3 weeks later, and still no answer, so I called again, and after more frustration, finally was forwarded to someone who told me that I should forward copy of my contract on Chase secure messaging center, and those messages must be answered by chase within 2 business days, which they did. Unfortunately it was more of a circular merry go round, as one message told me that they had to speak to me on phone, so I called, and was told my residual was $41,500, not the 38,883.20 that was stated on my contract. I asked if anyone looked at my contract, and was given “I don’t know, this is just the number I have on my computer.”At this point I just hung up the phone and decided to call Jamie Damon’s office. I explained the issue, whereupon they said they would have someone their team investigate, and it turns out that an Ashley at their office did call us back. Here is where I am totally confused , as I thought my case was a slam dunk. As of today, all of my payments to chase are complete, so the number I figured on as a residual is the 38883.20, plus the $150 in fees as stated in my contract. And this is what they said. The signed contract I have was not funded by chase financial, and the dealer submitted a new one that we did approve. Your monthly payment was the same, but we had to restructure the deal to get funding approved. it was done unilaterally by the dealer, so I have to speak to dealer if I want more answers. I had no knowledge of this, did not approve this or to my knowledge sign any re worked contract, and no such contract was given to me by dealer in my client package. The only contract in my package was the one I enclosed here.Of course the dealer says I have to take it up with chase financial.Mire of a merry go round…2 points, I thought residuals were set in stone( at the time it was 58%,39/10, of roughly 67,270 MSRP, so in order to get their”present residual of $41,500, the residual had to be changed significantly. 2. In my limited knowledge of contract law, I believe Any change to a binding signed contract would have to be approved and resigned by both parties, I have no idea how one party can unilaterally change a contract and expect it to be valid, and I have asked for a copy of their supposed” new contract “with my signature, but have received no answer on that request. I am enclosing a copy of my signed contract and a correspondence I received from Jamie Dimon’s office,


office. Btw, time is of the essence as the value of the Velar is dropping by the day, and the dealer who is buying it from chase has given me 2 weeks before their offer is off the table. So going the legal route may be counter productive from a timing point of view…Any input is greatly appreciated!

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Could it just be sales tax, the number is roughly around what tax + residual is. They might be pulling a # which is your reisudal + fee + sales tax.

I understand your frustration, but usually, when a deal is kicked back you’d need new ink for an updated contract. Yes that is usually true. Residuals are contractually obligated rights to purchase the vehicle for x price.

No ,my total buyback is around 45 k, the 41.5 k is the dealer buyout price, in New York my tax is 8.625%, we’ll above the 2600$ discrepancy

Dealer buyout price =/= residual. Wanna clarify that residual value is the guaranteed value that you will be able to purchase the car for. Only you, that is the only thing that is guaranteed.

If chase is restricting third party or charging different values that is news to me.

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Chase is honoring the buyout that they have on their record ,for me, and bmw dealer, same number for both, if I buy the car back they are charging 41,500 k plus tax, if dealer buys it, it’s just the 41.5 k

Ask the dealer (finance manager) you bought it from for a copy of the contract they submitted to Chase. Just say you lost it and want a copy for your records. Most states require dealers to keep paperwork for a few years.

Okay, that clarifies a few things. Do as Wam describes and request a copy for your records and you’ll have to go from there.

I did request “their” copy of lease last week,so far you have heard as much as I have😳

Why can’t Chase show you the contract? It is a contract between you and them, after all. The dealer was just the point of sale.

If you didn’t sign the “new one” it’s not valid afaik. I’d say this is on the dealership more than Chase, and schedule a meet and greet with a Finance Manager to compare your contract to what he has on file for the deal they submitted to Chase.

That is my next step, I have a call into finance manager, , I am going to follow up tomorrow, I spoke with sales manager last week, never heard from him, just don’t get the whole” original contract couldn’t be funded” and they thought it was ok to unilaterally cancel the signed contract that dealer gave me in my take home packet( see copy posted), it’s very frustrating to say the least

Dealer on LI? Someone I know had a similar experience back in 07 at a JLR dealer on LI that submitted a new contract to the bank after taking acquisition. Apparently they forged his signature and he only realized this after his mileage overage charges didn’t match his expectation on his final bill.

Yes, Land Rover of Huntington

A question I have for all, is , Can bank change residual on any deal if they wish? For their stated buyback, the residual would be around 61.9%, , versus the 58% that was quoted by dealer, chase financial and the signed contract I have

Btw, what dealer was it that forged docs?

Glen Cove, same ownership. I recently had a great experience at Huntington though.

Not surprised about glen cove, lol, they were over 200$/ month more at the time, so, have a copy of chase contract that they have on file, and a couple of notes, while I can’t 100% swear by it, but those are not my signatures, the line after the L on my second name swoops up, while when I sign, the line after the L always goes straight across, especially their second signature really doesn’t look anything like my signature, next , how come the agreed price of vehicle went up over 2 k, yet sales tax remained the same( line 16 a/b), also 2 different sales manager signatures on the same day?,maybe, , hopefully dealer will be willing to talk and



I won’t have take it further

I’m definitely no expert but when I look at where the ink meets the black part of contract, there’s a white border around the signature. It honestly looks like a cut and paste job on photoshop but again, I am no expert and that might just be a result of the document scan.

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Just a thought here, someone will probably prove me wrong:

It looks like you agreed to the deal on July 31st 2019. Is it possible the funding didn’t go through until August and the residual / money factor changed from July to August, so they adjusted the numbers to get you to the same payment?

If that was the case, I think you still should have had to sign a new agreement….which makes me think if my theory is correct they did this behind your back because it was their error not getting the deal done in July.