Lease over mileage fee Vs upfront more mileage

Hi leasehackrs,
Have you paid “over mileage fee” than the one you signed. How much did you pay for the over usage:

  1. 0.20/0.25 per mile? or were there additional charges beyond that?
  2. will it be profitable to buy 12k instead of 10k miles per year Vs paying per mile for the extra 2k miles (if that happens) - because the dealers are quoting $1k to $2k more for 12k instead of 10k. by doing the per mile overusage, it seems cheaper to pay per mile than opting for 12k miles. what do you think?
    please share your thoughts and experience.
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#1 Depends entirely on the bank and manufacturer/model. You will pay whatever the overage amount is per mile that is in your contract.

#2 The higher cost for leasing 12k vs 10k is due to a lower RV. In some cases it can be cheaper to lease 10k then pay 2k overage at lease end, while in others it’s cheaper just to lease 12k from the beginning.

You just have to run the numbers for each specific make/model scenario you’re considering.

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Each lease has different terms.

Nissan has 0.10 Flex Lease option, most are 0.25, some more…

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do the math and see which way works out to be cheaper

Usually, higher MSRP vehicle benefit from paying the mileage overage charge, instead of lowering the RV, while lower MSRP vehicles is the reverse. The other thing to consider, are you sure you really need the miles? I don’t like buying miles upfront, even with lower MSRP, because my driving patterns can change, and I rarely take a lease all the way to disposition.

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Thanks everyone for the inputs. this is for EV9 MSRP $66,500 and by pure numbers ($0.20 per mile overage) it makes logical sense to go use overage.

comparing 10k vs 12k miles the differences are : ~$700 to $1200 (in calculator & dealer quotes); whereas flat overage costs only $400.

I just want to make sure there are “no hidden charges to the overage charge” buried in fine prints (sometimes even the sales reps/dealers aren’t aware or explain). sounds like a ‘no’ and straight forward.

I was wondering the same. I got a tundra with 12k/year and the overage charges are only $0.15 per mile. That seems pretty cheap and I think I’d prefer to have fewer miles listed in the lease.

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what do you think about this deal? 24months/12k miles, $0down (not yet signed)

calculator for the deal

shouldn’t the “total cap reduction” be equal to the “total cash & rebates” ?

Not necessarily. It depends on how you structure the lease. If you requested a zero drive- off, then a portion of the 10825 would be allocated to a CCR (10130.43) while the balance (694.57) is used to cover all upfront fees (1st pay 568.56 and upfront charges 126.01- needs to be itemized).

Lots of data missing in this dealer WS… (CCR tax, acq fee, DMV fees, etc.). The sell price is 61554.13 and the gross cap is 63803.52 which means that 2249.39 worth of fees is capped in the lease and unaccounted for but likely includes Kia’s acq fee of 650 and CCR tax of 8.25% x 10130.43 = 835.76 for a total of 1485.76… what accounts for the remaining 763.63?

This is why it is extremely non-productive to question a dealer WS… too much info missing and a host of other issues.

Don’t waste time trying to decipher a dealer’s worksheet or chasing after them. Otherwise, you’re allowing them to control the deal. They often omit a lot of relevant detail and sometimes make mistakes. You need to rely on credible outside sources (e.g., LH marketplace and signed deals, Edmunds, etc.). Do your own research and establish a reasonable selling price in your market. Be sure to get a copy of the factory window sticker. Check for non-factory add-ons or dealer-installed options. And, if possible, eliminate those you don’t need or want. Get a list of all customer and dealer rebates/incentives including VIN#-specific discounts/incentives, if any. And, yes, the dealer has such a list.

The only thing useful about dealer lease worksheets is the input data. All data should be vetted such as acquisition fee, doc fee (regulated by some states), cost of money (e.g., money factor), gov fees, residual, rebates/incentives, sales tax rate, etc. Make sure the residual matches the term and annual mileage requirement. Check available tax credits/incentives via the fund provider who may cover taxes or, at minimum, may assess a lower sales tax rate to energize sales for some models.

Organize all relevant data in tabular format with the goal of creating a lease proposal that reflects your target deal. The idea is to create your own target deal (proposal), not replicate the dealer’s deal.

Craft a one-page professional-looking lease proposal and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often Mickey D order takers and lack knowledge. This should be done after you make phone contact with the SM asking them in a clear crisp voice that you’d like to email them a lease proposal so that the deal can be completed asap.

All numbers should be accurate otherwise, you’ll lose credibility. Negotiate via phone/email. Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. Moreover, it’s helpful to know the terms and conditions of the lease contract such as early termination liability criteria and purchase option criteria as well as lease amortization methodology and excess wear/tear criteria. If all is as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign asap. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t transparent or is uncooperative or showing signs of incompetence, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

Leasing is time-consuming and requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. However, if you’re willing to commit your time and resources, always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

??? Let me know.

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Wow ! @delta737h thanks a ton, this is one of the most educating response. Thanks again for taking time to explain this in detail. couple of follow ups on your response:

  1. how did you arrive at the gross cap as 63803.52 (which is not in the quote)?
  2. Yes, i requested zero drive-off, and hence the dealer said, the first month and upfront charges ($126 this i asked for details) are used from rebates - in that case, I believe i should be paying only the remaining 23months, correct?
  3. sales tax for my zip code is 9.25%; and since I requested to rollup all fees & taxes into monthly payments I see $44.43 per month into the monthly payment for taxes & fee, which totals to 1040.
  4. I got the window sticker and found nothing much out of ordinary - i) premium pain $695; ii) carpeted floor mats 225 iii) cargo cover 155 iv) wheel lock 75 (though I don’t need the last 2 items)
  5. lastly I asked for the lease worksheet (while we agreed & confirmed on the selling price; rebates; residual; MF; no add-ons) the missing piece is itemization of tax, govt.fees Vs dealer fees. - hopefully the lease worksheet will detail them out.

Reverse engineering. First, solve for the adjusted cap (see below) that would give a base payment of 525.23. Add the 10130.43 to the adj. cap to get the gross cap. The difference between the sell price and the gross cap is the amount of capitalized fees in the lease which is 2249.39… needs to be itemized!

Base pay = MF x (A + R) + (A - R) / N

Base pay = 525.23
MF = .00094
A = Adj. cap = Solve for this
R = Residual Value = 43254.25
N = Term = 24

G = A + CCR
G = gross cap
CCR = Capitalized Cost Reduction = 10130.43

K = G - SP
K = total amount capped in the lease = 2249.39
SP = Sell price = 61554.13

Yup! Bottom line: zero drive-off followed by 23 monthly payments of 568.56 each

Dealer used 8.25%

So, I would assume that the 2249.39 capped fees include taxes.

Post when you get it so we can critique it.

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Smart @delta737h !! I got the “lease worksheet” - attached. Please let me know, what you see beyond these numbers:

This is not a WS. It’s the top part of the first page of a lease contract. Lots of info missing. It doesn’t tell me very much other than how the 10825 lease cash/rebates are to be allocated to pay for all the fees listed in Section 6A.

EDIT: This dealer is screwing around. They should have given you the 1st three pages of the preview contract. These people are a waste of skin.

hmm…I have asked for full worksheet. However, one thing I have noticed in all the quotes, calculators was the “total taxes & fees” were always around ~$2200 for this configuration (24months/12k).
so, if the real fees are around ~2200 - do you see anything odd/fishy in quote?
(examples from old quotes & websites)


$3k discount on an ev9 is pretty weak

oh the above screen shot is for the old quote. the latest quote i got is with ~5k discount, to clear the confusion.

All calculated numbers are accurate. MF looks good.

The real deal killer is the 2500 dealer discount (3.7%) off MSRP. Did you check your local market? I don’t know what a competitive discount would be but I’m certain that 3.7% is a non-starter. Maybe shoot for 10% off? Currently, you have…

Zero drive-off followed by 23 monthly payments of 716.14 each. Not good. Get that sell price down.

EDIT:
FEES… 776 = 650 acq fee + 126 (gee, where have I seen that before?)
819.92 = Tax = 9.25% x 8863.94
809 = DMV… seems high to me.

To clarify, that was on old quote I shared to show the “tax & fees break down”.

below is the latest quote which is 7.5% discount ( I have been shopping around for a month now, the best I have got so far is 8%, for that i have to travel 400+miles)

the latest deal, get’s me $568 24months/12k miles.

Identical to your first quote… info missing. See my first and second posts above.