Deal check: 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 6 (DFW, Texas)

Trying to get a good deal in the DFW (Texas) area, started with rate findr and the calculator (here are my numbers)

Getting dealers to provide concrete numbers over text or email has been like pulling teeth. Here is one I’d like to ask about:

I’m not sure why their monthly payment is so different from the one I see in the calculator ($549 vs. $437). MF is 0.00219, residual is 55%, incentive is $11k, all the same in both. The amount DAS seems different, but not enough to explain the difference in monthly payments.

I don’t think this is a good deal as is, since for starters there is not discount on MSRP, but I’d like to try and understand why the monthly payment amount is different before getting into that with them or trying other dealers.

Thanks in advance!

LH Calc

The LH Calc agrees with the dealer. Dealer’s calculations are correct as I verified them manually. The monthly payment is actually 548.87. However, there is an additional fee of 995 that is not included in the dealer’s worksheet. My guess is that it is a dealer fee, possibly their doc fee which, apparently, is in addition to the 225 state Doc fee.

Bottom line: You owe 548.87 at signing followed by 35 monthly payments of 548.87 each. If you would like to see how all calculations were done, I’ll be glad to provide that info.

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Thank you so much for your time and reply. I guess I must’ve been tired and didn’t notice that the dealer spreads out the taxes and the LH calc has them paid upfront, which I think accounts for the difference (I think). I’ll ask about the $995, really appreciate you mentioning that.

Hopefully I can get them to offer some discount off MSRP and I can get this done!

You’re allowing the dealer to control the deal. Please excuse my long-winded dissertation but I think what follows is very important and can help you IMO.

Please don’t waste time trying to decipher a dealer’s worksheet or chasing after them. Otherwise, you’re allowing them to control the deal. They often omit a lot of relevant detail such as money factor, monthly base payment, monthly contractual payment, fees not itemized, etc. You need to rely on credible outside sources (e.g., LH marketplace and signed deals, Edmunds, etc.). Do your own research and establish a reasonable selling price in your market. Be sure to get a copy of the factory window sticker. Check for non-factory add-ons or dealer-installed options. And, if possible, eliminate those you don’t need or want. Get a list of all customer and dealer rebates/incentives including VIN#-specific discounts/incentives, if any. And, yes, the dealer has such a list.

The only thing useful about dealer lease worksheets is the input data (bolded below). All data should be vetted such as acquisition fee, doc fee (regulated by some states), cost of money (e.g., money factor), gov fees, residual, rebates/incentives, sales tax rate, etc. Make sure the residual matches the term and annual mileage requirement. Organize all relevant data in tabular format like those below with the goal of creating a lease proposal that reflects your target deal. The idea is to create your own target deal (proposal), not replicate the dealer’s deal.

Next, perform monthly payment calculations like those shown below.

Contractual Pay = .00219 x (35069.92 + 25855.50) + (35069.92 - 25855.50)/36 = 389.38

All fees, including taxes, are capitalized. See my LH calc.

Bottom line: 389.38 drive-off fees followed by 35 monthly payments of 389.38 each.

Commentary

It’s very foolish and nonproductive to waste hours sitting in a dealership negotiating. This can be a huge distraction. You need time to think things through and formulate questions within the privacy of your own home. This leads me to suggest…

Craft a lease proposal (example below) and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often order takers and lack knowledge.

All numbers should be accurate otherwise, you’ll lose credibility. Negotiate via phone/email. Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. If all is as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign right away. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t being transparent or is uncooperative, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

Leasing is time-consuming a requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. If you’re willing to commit your time and resources, always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

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Don’t. You’re poisoning the well each time you approach a dealer for a quote. They’re almost never going to budge very far if they make the first offer.

Search Marketplace & Signed Deals & Tips find what % pre-incentive discount others are paying. Use that in the calculator. Then make offers remotely for payment and DAS based on the output.

And don’t forget to check who is offering Texas tax credits in the Marketplace — it makes a big difference.

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One of the biggest differentiators when doing a lease in Texas will be taxes. In Texas (as well as several other states) you’re on the hook for tax on the entire selling price of the vehicle. If you buy the vehicle at the end of the lease, you’re on the hook for the taxes again. Yes it’s stupid, but that’s just the way it is. In reality, the vehicle is being sold from the dealer to Hyundai Financial, and they’re just passing the taxes along to you.

Your best deals in Texas are almost always going to be on makes/models that have tax incentives, where captive bank is covering the taxes to drive sales. Most salespeople are clueless morons. Especially Hyundai. The finance person has to verify that there are tax credits from Hyundai financial and then apply them to your deal. I tried shopping for an Ioniq 5/6 in March and couldn’t get a single Hyundai dealer in DFW to do this. It was like I was speaking martian to them. Most of them thought I was talking about the $7500 tax incentive, and even when I spelled out that the finance person had to request tax credits, they still couldn’t/wouldn’t do it. There was a post around the same time here where someone scored a deal in Houston and that dealer applied the credits successfully.

You’ll have better luck leasing a Chevy Equinox/Blazer EV. I haven’t checked this month’s deals, but I know in the past that they had tax credits on the table which significantly reduces the cost of the lease. Huffines Plano and Classic Grapevine both know how to structure the deal properly and will get you decent monthly/one-pay numbers, just negotiate down some more, but they know how to actually do the math which is half the battle here.

You could opt to pay the sales tax, but then move it to an upfront cost (since it’s not a cap-cost reduction and there’s no need to finance it), but on a super-cheap lease, another $2-3k of taxes can make/break your deal.

I also had luck with Nissan applying tax credits, but Ariya deals seem to have dried up. If you don’t mind a car, you’ll probably not pay much more for a BMW i4 35e/40e, since BMW has both Loyalty/Competitor credits as well as tax incentives on the table.

Hyundai may or may not have the credits available, but their knucklehead dealers in DFW are the problem. Cross shop other brands that are willing to cover those taxes. Usually either they’ll cover 100% or they’ll charge you 1% in sales tax.

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To add on to this, I’ve had good experiences at Jupiter Chevrolet (leased two Silverados from them).

Any idea of how to determine whether a specific fund provider (e.g., Honda Finance, GM Financial. etc.) has tax credits available in states like Ohio without asking dealers who are usually ignorant? My best guess is to go directly to the fund provider’s lease/tax department. Most likely, they’ll refer you to their stupid network of dealers and around and around we go… weeeee!

Thanks everyone for the detailed advice and information. I’ve read it over and am following it. I’ll post an update if I do manage to get a deal signed.

Hey do you (or anyone else) have any updates? Trying to score some sort of deal on an Ioniq 5 SEL or LTD in Central Texas.

I had a VERY hard time to get any Hyundai dealer to understand lease tax credits. They kept thinking I was talking about EV incentives. i’ve had better luck with GM and Nissan when it comes to tax credits.

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Sorry to bother you, did you just ask for the lease tax credit or was there some explanation or procedure you had to give about how it worked. I might try to ask at a Mazda later this week.

I got 11k in incentives, but had no luck with lease tax credits at any dealer. I asked specifically if they could get their finance manager to verify, and still the answer was no.

The best I was able to get was 3.5% off MSRP (besides the 11k in incentives).

(Apologies for not updating earlier.)

No, there is no “database” per se that provides info on what brands are offering tax credits in TX :frowning:

You’re going to be dealing with a tremendous amount of ignorance/incompetence at Hyundai/Kia stores. I had a similar experience in reference to lender sales tax credits at several Jeep stores a few years ago. They kept thinking I was talking about the sales tax savings you get by trading in an owned/traditionally financed vehicle.

The $995 is probably a dealer add item(s). I’ve never seen a dealer doc fee of $995 in TX

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