Of all the incredibly difficult problems to solve: the grandiose claims were never necessary (forget 6 years ago, when a 1-way cross-country fsd trip was “definitely happening in the next 6 months”).
This isn’t a knock on Tesla: talk about corner-cases that demonstrate the 90/90 rule (90/900 rule?):
Every time something Tesla related comes up, you guys take a crap on it. I just wonder why do you feel so strongly against them? Have you guys driven one?
I have; several. They do some things really well, some things really poorly, and some things alright. The things they do poorly outweigh the things they do really well currently, as far as my personal priorities.
I’m not anti-Tesla. I’m anti-cognitive dissonance for people that think they’re flawless. That goes for the cars and the company.
This thread is a perfect embodiment of that. The premise is that one would just throw in the towel and go with a Tesla to avoid mark ups over MSRP, because of the flat pricing structure that Tesla offers. The reality is, as evident by the countless MSRP changes, that Tesla varies their price to meet market demands like everyone else, they just “advertise” it differently.
I’ve owned 3 Tesla vehicles in the last 4 years (Model X, 3 RWD, and an MY).
Quality control is garbage, waiting 4 months for parts (before the pandemic) is unacceptable, insurance claims with Tesla are PITA. Our Model X started to rattle at 12k miles, driveshaft shuttering under heavy acceleration right after delivery (still with no fix in sight, the service people just tell you that’s it’s a design flaw that can’t be fixed). The MY drove like a car with super stiff springs, where you could feel every bump. My daughter would get nauseous on every drive, even the shortest ones.
Don’t even let me begin on the “EPA Range,” which is a total BS.
Are you still driving an electric? If so, what did you move to, and how does the long-term experience with it compare?
The Mach E Options (Balloon) plan intrigued me to get the electric car tax credits and reduced payment with an easier way to unload in three to four years.
Currently we own an Audi E Tron which is superior to model X in every way except for range and cargo space. In Washington state gas is around $4/gallon while electricity is dirt cheap ( 8 cents a Kw). If you can pick up a CPO Etron for the price of the Mustang, shouldn’t be hard) I would highly recommend that.
Electric is the future but I still miss the roughness and rumble of the combustion engine.
Especially if you consider that any model X prior to 2020 charges painfully slow after 45% mark, therefore, limiting your supercharger legs to 120-160 miles. Because sure as hell you won’t get anywhere near to 300 miles of range at highway speeds.
Ours goes pretty quickly until about 50% (especially using the cool rag trick on the handle) then tapers down. Not really worth it to charge over 80% if you can help it.
Our P3D OTOH stays at a decent rate all the way Into the ~60%’
Very similar in acceleration, I could care less about the top speed. Public roads aren’t meant for that, and I can guarantee you won’t be tracking a Model X……
I think the real issue is something “fast enough”. If everyone cared about 0 to 60 Toyota would not have sold a single Prius, BMW would have discontinued 30i, etc. For example to me personally consistency of power train response and enough speed to do a quick merge when necessary are far more important than some insane number that I will never need outside of the first day to test out what I got.
So while I completely agree that Model X is faster, I will maintain that outside of random dick measuring it’s not relevant to most people.
I have maxed out the acceleration on my e-tron a grand total of 1 time, just to see what it could do. Something being faster than it is would offer no value to me.
A little off topic, but this got me curious and I went to look up current 0-60 times on cars. I am pretty shocked to see how many cars can get to 60 under 3 seconds. Most of these are cars that cost a few hundred thousand, but still a lot different than when I was in high school and actually cared how fast a car could get to 60.
