Wow, kick a guy while he is down. You sir are a Richard Cranium!
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I actually found the CL post when I googled the VIN first - saw the pictures and then put everything together…
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Yep, just proves that people from norcal are bums. Long live SoCal. J/K, but I do think that David/Davin is a piece of crap and he and his wife should not have kids ever.
I think you’re out of line here, that’s pretty harsh and uncalled for.
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I cant believe he unloaded the car again.
Fool me once …
I was going to say I hope the Tesla X battery overheats during charging and spontaneously combusts in the garage with the gull wing doors stuck open when your left your laptop, cell phone and wallet inside and spews toxic lithium smoke that leaves your house condemned but that would have been harsh, right?
Hell hath no fury like a hacker scorned
That sounds like good ol’ karma to me.
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I’m sure this will be the least popular reply in the thread.
We spend all our time dealing with shitty sales tactics at dealers and then someone gets pissed when an individual manages to do the exact same thing?
Steve you’re a nice guy and did what you thought was the right thing. It still is and you still are. Nice guys get taken advantage of from time to time. Know it, learn from it, and move on.
DDDD or whatever took possession of a commodity and resold it. It’s not illegal or unethical to take a car lease and resell for profit. He didn’t do anything fraudulent. We do the same thing every day with car dealers. I tell them I travel so I only have time to deal by email. It’s not true but it gets me quick and competitive offers and saves a shit ton of time. I also negotiate, then when it’s time to purchase walk in with my friend or whoever I’m helping (Not a broker just help neighbors, relative etc) and say let me introduce you to the real buyer. Some dealers get seriously pissed, but I have yet to get turned away.
DDDD should have just stood his ground. Steve needed to get rid of a car and was willing to take a loss. DDDD was able to profit from it and most anyone else here would have too had they seen the same opportunity. I personally say congrats to DDDD on being able to flip a lease in a highly competitive game and make profit on it.
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And never loan money to family.
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What Buddyleecia said. Agree 100%
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We go into it knowing that those family “loans” often turn into good will. But if a family member is struggling enough to ask for help, we aren’t going to say no. Family is too important for us. (I’m talking immediate family)
If a direct family member is humble enough to suffer the embarrassment of asking for help, we help. And I believe we are better for it.
I can say with absolute honesty I would not attempt to profit in the same situation. Perhaps that is why I have a difficult time with most dealings in our present world. When the majority sees such practices as the one mentioned as the norm, there are not many who will not attempt to get something extra, left.
I get what you are saying and see it as truth and wisdom. People tell me all of the time that I have to change my ways, but it is the hardest thing to do when you have never done it. I just got taken advantage of in a lease assumption deal (as the Transferee) and cannot do such things to someone else because of the feeling. I just do not want anyone else to feel as I did.
In this particular area, I do not know what the solution is. To me, it is an issue of having the ability to do what David did (i.e., make a profit simply because you can). Or not doing it because you do not have to and it was not something you put out (down).
My mind would have never even thought of asking for a down payment if I had not paid one. The only thing I might try to recover somehow is the $500 application and transfer fee I had paid to BMW, as I would have viewed that as an immediate and apparent loss. But without being honest, I would not know how to ask for it (and not many would be okay paying for another’s mistake). It would not be the other person’s problem in my opinion. They did not assume a lease and immediately want to get out of it. That issue would lie with me.
I agree about being humble and asking for help. Unfortunately there are times when certain family members or friends take advantage of being able to use family as a zero-interest loan. There are some that charge interest to family but that is a whole other discussion, that I do not have a solid position on since so many variables are involved.
When it comes to family or a friend that is close enough to be called family, I do not charge interest, and gift the money at the end (unless they are over-all better off than me, then they better have that money, lol). Like the saying goes “never loan (to family or friends) what you are not willing to use”.
Since they are in a situation that has caused them to approach me I tend to get involved in their finance, and most of the time they really begin to manage money much better. The one rule is if they take it for granted, they will never get any financial help from me again. I have been blessed in business and with a wonderful family, but there is a lot of work that comes in making money decisions (as is for 99% of members on this board that do not just take an add for $X per month with $X down and sign a deal).
I take the time to make a plan with them, have them follow a pay-schedule so I know they are really trying to manage their money, I usually invest what they have been repaying to cut them a check at the end of the loan, if situation permits; 99% of the time they are and it does. The 1% percent that either thought it was a gift from the beginning, or just didn’t care enough about our relationship, will never see a dime from me again.
I have actually send links to most of my family members and friends to this site. I feel that there are a lot of people on this site that have a similar principals and goals, and I tend to agree with most of what is written by the members of this site. By the time I got to reading this post, it reached a posting that we should nip it in the bud. Since the conversation is going (and sorry for the long sharing anecdote but I promise it’s connected) I’ll throw my five cents:
As @Buddyleecia and most of the others have stated (sorry but there is no way I’m going through this drama again to get your names), @steve2 is a really good dude. Sorry you had to deal with this, it stings. But keep being you and don’t let this deter you from what I see is a very proper way of life. If I was in your shoes I would have brought this to the forums’ attention, and if @DDDDDDavin was family or close friend, he would fall into the 1% that I would never deal with financially again; doesn’t mean I would disown him or remind him of what he did every time I see him; just be objective and move on with life.
As for @DDDDDDavin, he ****ed up, he owned up, and he tried to make up for it. If he was a POS that some seem to think he is, once he was caught (inevitable lol) all he had to do was delete his profile, make his profit on LeaseSwap, CL, etc., and then create another profile to keep benefiting from this forum while not having to ever apologize or take shit from other people. Being around is what shows me that he isn’t a POS, has some character, and shares some of the mutual principals of people on this forum. He just made a very poor judgement call. I am no saint, and I have made mistakes before I got to where I am, but I always owned up to my **** ups. So kudos and don’t s**t where you eat lol.
Again, sorry for the long post. Had some free time and just had to participate in this dramatic turn of events. Great forum with a lot of great members! Let’s keep it that way.
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I actually just want to do a shout out to Steve2. You were doing something out of kindness and I believe in the spirit of things that you racked up alot of good karma and positive energy. Thanks for trying to help out some young peeps.
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Thank you, Maxout. I greatly appreciate the comment.
Your opinions about what you would or wouldn’t do doesn’t matter. What should happen is that everyone says thank you and moves on with their lives. The shit that we do on the internet is so stupid
Finally had an opportunity to get back here and provide an update - this whole deal turned in to a daytime drama for a minute, but I wanted to say that @david217 was wonderful to deal with for this car transfer. After his apology for his initial actions, he went out of his way to be transparent and then he and his wife even drove the car 4 hours to deliver it 1 week before the full transfer was completed. Thankfully the car was in the condition, as described and talking with him in person, it was clear that he is a good person who truly felt sorry (even though I’m of the mindset that there was nothing stopping him from profiting on the deal, but without the other name/story/etc. early on). Anyhow, it is pretty clear that @steve2 is also a decent guy and did a nice thing, and I’m also glad I was able to deal with David to pick up this car for my family’s use. I appreciate this forum and all the good people here…take care everyone 
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