2024 EV6 WIND & GT-Line

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I am looking to lease EV6 WIND / GT-Line 24 Months / 10K Miles, 0 Down

I have reached out to multiple dealers in Kentucky, this is the best I got. I have shared them what’s the monthly that I expect, reason for my expectation, the math behind the numbers, discount on msrp, rebate, money factor, residual. But the max 3% MSRP discount is all I got.

EV6 WIND RWD (VIN Listed for 300+ days at Cargurus)
EV6-Wind

This is what I am looking for

EV6 GT-Line (VIN Listed 200+ days)
EV6-GTLINE

What I expect -

anything wrong with my expectation or approach? Please advise.

If you ask them how much they want you to pay, they will tell you how much they want you to pay.

Make an offer, if they say no, move on. The fact that you have these offers from them mean you’re not doing that. If you think you’re making them an offer and getting this back, you need to look closely at what you’re saying to them, because it isn’t being taken in the right way.

Thank you!

I have shared them how much I want to pay monthly and for what reason (ex. 3rd quarter, unsold for 300+ days, etc) including the math behind the numbers. Probably as you say I should move on and look for dealers outside my state.

Is 7% MSRP discount is too much to ask for?

Let’s be specific about your verbiage here.

What exactly are you saying to them?

Is this a “id like to be under $300/mo cause youve had these for a while” kind of conversation or is this a “for stock number 1234, im willing to do $311/mo with $1000 due at signing based on these incentives, my tax rate, and tier 1 credit. If you agree to these terms, i will come take delivery right now” kind of conversation?

Something like this, if they respond I share them detailed numbers on how did I come up with $320 per month

"I am interested in leasing this 2023 Kia EV6 WIND RWD. (VIN: KNDC34LXXX). Lease Term: 24 months, 10K Miles, 0 Down, Good Credit, No Trade in.

Based on the current market data, including residual values, money factor, and available EV incentives, I am targeting a monthly payment of $320 post-tax.

If the numbers work and the vehicle is available, I am ready to proceed immediately."

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$0 down and post-tax makes the offer ambiguous.

You either need to give a specific actual monthly and due at signing amount or break the numbers down in complete detail.

Right now, your offer could vary by thousands of dollars in final cost depending on how they choose to interpret it.

As for the why part of the discussion with them, personally, i wouldnt bother.

LH Calc

Some of your fees are not correctly populated or are inaccurate in your LH calc. The dealer is capping all fees so that the only fee due at signing is your first payment.

Don’t know without doing the necessary research but I did use an 8% discount as a first cut that you need to research for your market. Also, unless you live in a state that doesn’t tax incentives, nowhere in the dealer’s WS do I see tax levied on the 14300. So, I’m assuming incentives aren’t taxed which must be vetted. This leads me to say…

Don’t waste time trying to decipher a dealer’s worksheet or chasing after them. Otherwise, you’re allowing them to control the deal. They often omit a lot of relevant detail such as money factor, monthly base payment, monthly contractual payment, fees not itemized and even make mistakes. You need to rely on credible outside sources (e.g., LH marketplace and signed deals, Edmunds, etc.). Do your own research and establish a reasonable selling price in your market. Be sure to get a copy of the factory window sticker. Check for non-factory add-ons or dealer-installed options. And, if possible, eliminate those you don’t need or want. Get a list of all customer and dealer rebates/incentives including VIN#-specific discounts/incentives, if any. And, yes, the dealer has such a list.

Organize all relevant data in tabular format with the goal of creating a lease proposal that reflects your target deal. The idea is to create your own target deal (proposal), not replicate the dealer’s deal. You seem to be off to a pretty good start in that regard.

It’s very foolish and nonproductive to waste hours sitting in a dealership negotiating. This can be a huge distraction. You need time to think things through and formulate questions within the privacy of your own home. This leads me to suggest…

Craft a lease proposal (example below) and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often order takers and lack knowledge. All numbers should be accurate otherwise, you’ll lose credibility. Negotiate via phone/email. Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. Moreover, it’s helpful to know the terms and conditions of the lease contract such as early termination liability criteria and purchase option criteria as well as lease amortization methodology and excess wear/tear criteria. If all is as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign right away. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t being transparent or is uncooperative or showing signs of incompetence, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

??? Let me know.

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Do I need to include anything else?

MSRP 52495 This is from the window sticker
Selling Price 48820 7% Off
Months 24
Miles 10,000
Residual 29397 56%
Money Factor 0.00094 2.26%
Taxed Incentives 14300
Acquisition Fee 650
Dealer Fees 650
Tax Rate 6%
Monthly $332
Due At Signing $1,709 1st Month + Dealer, Acquisition & Govt Fee

Thank you for all the details.

I may be wrong on the taxed incentives. This is what Gpt says " In Kentucky, lease incentives (like rebates or cash allowances) are typically taxed. The incentive is applied to reduce the price of the car, but the tax is calculated based on the price before the incentive is applied."

I am using LH Calculator to calculate the numbers, I have taken window sticker from the Kia site for the VIN that I am interested.

I need to work on the fees, I will take a look at your sheet, its helpful

MSRP 52495 Window sticker
Selling Price 48820 7% Off
Months 24
Miles 10,000
Residual 29397 56%
Money Factor 0.00094 2.26%
Taxed Incentives 14300
Acquisition Fee 650
Dealer Fees 650
Doc Fee 399.4
Govt Fee 76.6
Tax Rate 6%
Monthly $332
Due At Signing $1,709 1st Month + Dealer, Acquisition & Govt Fee
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Nowhere in your first posted dealer WS do I see a dealer fee of 650. What I see is a dealer doc fee of 399.40. Don’t know how taxes are treated in KY. You’ll need to ascertain that for yourself. I’d be very cautious when using AI platforms.

I think you’re doing a great job!

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You are right, dealer is not transparent on the dealer fee, so I added 650 max.

Their document shows it as $399.

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Remove it. The only dealer fee that you should be charged is the dealer doc fee of 399.40.

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Both of your quotes have the dealer doc fee listed

My assumption, dealer fee is different from doc fee. I have removed dealer fee now.

Doc fee is the dealer fee

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