2018 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium w/ Eyesight Lease offer

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Hi all,

Shopping around for a 2018 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium w/ Eyesight and have 2 offers. I feel like their money factors/residuals are not right. Should I take either one of these deals or negotiate more? My credit is fair/good (depending on whos it is) around 700.

CAR INFO:
2018 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium
PACKAGE: JDD-14 (EyeSight + Blind Spot Detection & Rear Cross Traffic Alert + Power Rear Gate + High Beam Assist)
COLOR: Crystal Black Silica / Slate Black w/Cloth Upholstery
FACTORY INSTALLED ACCESSORIES:
POPULAR PACKAGE # 2
LED Upgrade - Map and Dome lights
All-Weather Floor Liners
Rear Bumper Cover
Auto-Dimming Exterior Mirror with Approach Light
Rear Seat Back Protector
Splash Guards

MSRP: $31,750
Invoice: $29,475
Selling Price: $26,775

BOTH dealers offered me this price.

Dealer 1 lease offer:
Around $350/mo w tax (won’t give me an exact quote without running credit)
MSRP 31,750
Selling 26,775
Up front: $595 acquisition fee + $175.94 Doc fee and $221 new plates, title and registration +FMP
Mf (not provided, but through the calculator) 0.0015
Residual: 59%
Taxes 18% (Chicago)

Dealer 2 lease offer:
$398/mo w tax
MSRP 31,750
Selling 26,775
Up front: $595 acquisition fee + $175.94 Doc fee and $221 new plates, title and registration
mf.0025
residual 59%
Taxes 18% (Chicago)

Should the MF factor be much lower? What about the residual? I’m pretty happy with the selling offer since its 16% below MSRP. I don’t think I’ll get much more than 5k off.

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The MF should be 0.00025

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Is MF credit dependent, determined by the dealership or dependent on the car model? How can they be so wildly different?

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It’s credit dependent and varies by car model and even trim within each model.

Edit to add: dealerships can mark up the base rate MF to make more money

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0.00025 base and 0.00055 with a credit score below 690

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So essentially these dealers are marking up the MF? Is it because it they make more money off the deal? What’s holding them back from offering subarus set MF if I know it?

My FICO is 697, so even if I did get 0.00055 that is wildly different than 0.0025…

Should I counter offer with these MFs? Or try to get them close to them as possible?

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Run the numbers with the regular MF on the calculator and see how much of a difference it makes. Let the dealer know that you are aware they are marking up interest rate on you. (which negates the big discount)

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I live in MD and pay $360 a month for a 2017 Subaru Outback Limited w/ Eyesight.

Msrp: $35,145
Selling price: $30,722
Sales tax : 492.45 ( traded in vehicle so tax credit made this much lower)
Title/reg/ license: $350
Acquisition: $595
Negative Equity: $1360
Dealer fee: $795
Rebate: $500

Adjusted cap cost: $33,815
Residual value: $22,246
Rent charge: 1,412

36 months/12k miles
$360 a month

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It also depends if it’s a local credit union vs suburu themselves

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Dealer 1 is most definitely Subaru financial services (she said in an email). I’m not certain about dealer 2, but they are a much bigger dealership than #1.

Thank you SO much for your help. I can’t believe I’ve been fooled for days now.

Just to clarify, the MF/RV’s only change with the trim levels? So a “premium” with eyesight is the same MF/RV as a “premium” without?

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So did you pay around the Subaru set money factor for this car? Your monthly payments, for a much higher trim, are being quoted the same as a premium for me. Despite your trade in/rolled over $$$

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Rent charge is MF just straight up calculated, and yeah RV and MF is tied to a trim and not the package. I feel like the dealer who said 0.0025 made a mistake in telling it, most likely because the person your speaking to doesn’t know much about leasing? Anyways I think the maximum markup could be a potential 0.0015, from 0.00055 + 0.00051~ ish mark up. But the first step is making sure they give you base terms, dealers make money off of markup MF and if they don’t reduce just move on

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She is an internet sales manager, not a finance person. .0025 just seems absurdly wrong or inflated, from what I’ve read.
But now that I’m thinking about it, if the residual is better on a 2019 outback premium, wouldn’t it be smarter to just get that? Do you know the RV/MF?

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The outback premium is 0.00130 MF and 61% residual, for future reference you can just search [year] [model and make] edumnds mf on google and the first item should be a thread with all the info that you could want!

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My parents picked up this Outback in June, but you can use it as a reference.

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Oh! I have your post screenshotted on my phone. So get this… I read the dealer this entire post word for word after they quote me $497/mo. MSRP was the same, as was the sale price. They said “there’s no way” “his tax is only 5%” “he had a trade in” “no dealer in chicago would do this.”
Looking at it now you had a .0004 MS which is much better than .0025 I was getting… my tax is 18% (in the city) but still, pretax it should be around $250. I’m so mad!! Haha

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@beetlejuicebettle My parents live in Dane County, WI, where the tax rate is 5.5% and they did NOT have a trade in. If the sale price and fees are the same, the only thing effecting the pre-tax monthly is the MF and Residual. How they get $497/month with the same sale price is crazy.

Find another dealer…Grand Subaru had decent pricing without any hassle, but didn’t do out of state leases as store policy, so I had to move on. Give Nealy Anderson an email with a specific stock number:

Nealy Anderson - Internet Sales Manager
Grand Subaru
(888) 840-3934 Office #
630-363-0569 Cell #
nanderson@grandsubaru.com

The first quote she sent me was 15.3% off of MSRP

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