I though aronchi was the Volvo dealer.
How is listing a dealer with a car sm1177 wants a shitty move? I removed the link for now.
I thought I made it clear, no?
But you did not need to remove that link because it is not his dealer, in this case.
The problem is, you said “I think this might be one of his cars” in reference to Aronchi. You then posted the link to the car, which would’ve circumvented Aronchi. I tend to agree with the bear on this one. That was kind of a dick move.
Turns out it’s not his car, so no harm, no foul.
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I had thought that aronchi was that dealer, and was trying to steer sm1177 to him. I doubt sm1177 has contacted the dealer or aronchi, so thank god this has all been cleared up! A “dick move” implies intent, would you not agree? Do you think I was trying to circumvent aronchi? I do appreciate you making the point.
@vhooloo - lol! If Ursus wants to make this into his private circus, I’m game. At least until I’m banned.
Bud, not want u to think im taking sides here but you might cause unintended harm to people here who are working hard to get these deals down here. You might have just joined and aren’t aware but 80%of the folks only come back to this place when they are ready for their next car, then theres the 10% who are helping everyone and the other 10% who are brokers/dealers but still go beyond and over to help anyone, anywhere in the country with great advice.
If Im not wrong, you have been in volvo sales for a decade or two? You probably understand what these guys mean then. Lets just move on
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Decided to give it another shot with the help of @KD6-3.7 …I was able to get a lease offer on a new 2018 S90 T6 Momentum 36/12K:
**MSRP - $57610
**A-Plan Price - $54053.40
**Buy Rate MF -.00074
**Residual - 53%
Acquisition Fee - $695.00
Taxes - $1789.01 (IL)
Plates - $221.00
Doc Fee - $175.94
REBATES
**A-PLAN VIP- $3000.00
**LOYALTY-$500.00
**LEASE BONUS- $2500.00
**VOLVO ALLOWANCE- $5250.00
**TOTAL-$11250.00
MONTHLY PAYMENT -$477.26
In case I do MSDs:
**MSDs: $5000
**MF: 0.00024
**Monthly payment: $446
Let me know what you guys think about it
They should be taking the $10,750 from the base A-Plan price for a net of $43,303. Shouldn’t be a rebate, unless IL requires that. If treated as a rebate, you pay tax on it. The $500 loyalty should be a rebate. If the payment is $446 with MSDs, the deposit should be $4,500.
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I feel so torn reading and responding to these S90 threads now that 6% is the new reality and the prices are at least $100 more than they were in 1H 2018. The pricing looks good for what is available now. But because it is a fixed price deal, you should be able to obtain it without much hassle anytime you want. If I didn’t need a vehicle right away, I would wait and see if Volvo relaxes their 6% A-plan policy as we get toward the end of the year. I will also add that it looks like you have found the unicorn of S90s - a $57.6k T6 - would have been a $300/mth lease 3-6 months ago.
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I don’t think you’ll see A-Plan allow deeper discounting, probably ever. When there’s $3,000 involved, you should resign yourself to accepting that instead of $1,500-2,000 of blood from the dealer. Think of the glass as half full…
@sm1177 - what does IL do? Charge tax on the capitalized cost and add it to the total capitalized? What rate do you pay?
Charge tax on the depreciation and add it to the Capitalized Cost. The rate is 7 percent for me but I don’t know how the dealer is calculating it to be $1789?
Assuming that, I believe they’re using the selling price of $54,053 + $695 acq fee = $54,748. $54,748 - $30,533 (residual) = $24,215 depreciation. Times 7% = $1,695 tax, so there’s a small error there.
You need the selling price to be $10,750 lower and the rebate to be only $500. The dealer is supposed to print out a work sheet showing how the selling price is attained, and the incentives (except loyalty) should reduce the selling price.
Not all states tax rebates. Do you know that IL does? If not, then it doesn’t matter how it is applied.
Read sm1177’s post about the tax being charged.
Tax on rebates, that you mentioned earlier. Need me to quote you?
If the incentives are taken as rebates, the capitalized cost is higher, no? Higher cap cost = more depreciation = more tax, no?
Look at the tax in the deal and what he’s paying tax on and the amount.
Didn’t you mean taxed rebates here? That’s why I wanted to clarify that not all states tax rebates. If not taxed then it doesn’t matter where you put them in the lease. Different from what you say now.
How are the S90 moving now that you can’t deep discount on A plan?
You’re reading too much into my posts. What I’m saying is if the $10,750 incentives are not knocked off the selling price, then they wind up taxed. I’m not sure how IL or other states besides CA handle it, but CA wants to tax the rebates. That means the rebate counts as down payment on a purchase or towards the drive off on a lease. Essentially, the selling price is not reduced and as a result and CA get the tax they want. The tax sm1177 showed indicated that the taxed amount of depreciation included a selling price before the $10,750 was deducted. I don’t know about IL, but in CA we reduce the selling price by the amounts of the dealer incentives, including the A-Plan incentive. We’re supposed to provide a copy like this for the customer to sign. I think sm1177 will be a lot better off with his selling price reduced by $10,750. If so, no rebate will show on the lease contract for anybody to tax or not tax.
