I haven’t driven one but the Elantra N and Kona N both offer a compelling package
Really? Motor Trend gave the CVT in that car a thumbs down.
I haven’t driven the SR, but the rental one I had was such a piece of crap that I couldn’t imagine the SR being that much better. I’m enjoying the Camry SE rental I have currently way more than I did the Altima (although the road and tire noise generated by the Camry is… off-putting).
Genuine question: are you just looking for a car that handles better than a truck? Then just get what leases the best of your choices b/c
And I can’t think of a sporty-ish car that does, unless there are decent deals again on 330i loaners.
I would strongly suggest narrowing down your choices to 3 cars
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I don’t qualify for any tax credits here in CA
Strictly to your list, G70 3.3T is probably the best option for leasing. If you’re set on leasing, see if you can get a broker to get you a good deal on a m340i or m440i, better to lease those.
“purists”, lol
Any videos that I have watched where it actually shows how the car is “shifting” demonstrate exceedingly quick behavior that is much much faster than a human could shift.
My concerns for financing is that automatic sporty cars depreciate a lot, most people want manual
It isn’t speed…it is the driving experience/involvement that leads a lot of people to choose a manual.
You need to narrow it down, there is pretty big diff between an s3 and a stinger for example. Stinger is more comparable to an s5 sportback.
Sorry misread on the snow part
Yeah…. I try and use the words objective and subjective when describing stuff like that. There are subjective things people may want that do not necessarily make objective sense.
The ones with an established fan base and relatively low supply hold their values well, like Honda’s and VW’s hot hatches
i love spending other peoples money online, whats the budget?
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Oh, i don’t think anyone doubts that a non-manual is inferior in terms of objective performance.
I don’t know how to drive a manual, but the rubber banding effect can be… a bit distracting. I think a regular auto transmission would be more subjectively enjoyable than a CVT.
The old school CVT had a crazy rubber band type effect. I remember I had a 2010 Honda insight with the CVT (and of course that car was not designed for performance but rather efficiency) and that thing would rubber band like crazy! Once you get used to it it was really no big deal but it was strange at first.
The new ones seem to act in a more traditional manner, kind of like a DCT.
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Granted I’ve never driven one but would the Model 3 count as “sporty?” Could be a good fit
That’s why I asked OP if they were just looking for something sportier than a truck. If so, LOTS of things could fit the bill…
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$60k if it can be a family car with loaded features; $40k if I have to get another car when I have kids (2 seats or reliability issues).
Alfa Romeo Giulia.
Westbrook alfa Romeo has the best deals if you negotiate well.
There are also brokers on here I believe
get a 340, it will smoke everything you have listed in terms of sportiness and still be nice to cruise in/has back seats.
engine/transmission pairing is second to none at this price point.
BMWs, aside from a few niche ones, are not a great choice for an OP who’s worried about depreciation for ownership or wanting something that leases well.