Sure so it’s situational but my point is getting a great deal doesn’t always mean it’s a great transaction. To me those coupon people buying a bunch of crap they don’t need is wasteful and overall tacky.
people flipping jeep 4xe and abusing government subsidies is immoral, as this site has seen
My kids needed cars as cheap as possible. If that is wasteful and tacky in your book so be it lol.
That’s not what I’m talking about. If you did 3 50/mo cars for each of your kids, then it would be wasteful.
If I had a crazy deal, I wouldn’t share it since there are too many vultures on the site that will scoop it up or ask for dealer/sales person info. 
This aspect is often overlooked.
I’ve done both on a screaming deal for a bad car and a not great deal for a car that is a hoon machine or a footrest festival.
I have almost always regretted the bad car/screaming deal scenario, and usually find myself in the middle with a pretty good deal and pretty good ride.
Cars are appliances for most people.
So the deal is what wins out.
Also no such thing as a “bad car” in 2026. Go back to the 80s and buying a Toyota vs a GM was a good car vs a piece of junk. That gap doesn’t exist anymore. Maybe long term reliability still does but for a 2-3 year lease, virtually any car you buy will meet A to B transportation needs the same.
I don’t think anyone was talking solely about “A to B” transportation needs and nobody is talking about the 80s.
There are indeed plenty of “bad” cars out there. Have you actually driven a recent iteration of a Malibu, Mirage, Compass, Trax or a Sentra?
Sure I’ve driven a Malibu rental recently. Nothing wrong with it as far as an appliance car. For 90% of the car buying public it serves its purpose. What’s “bad” about it exactly?
The 80s was an example of when cars were truly bad.
But how many of these have you seen in this website lately?
When was the last “Sentra-mania”?
Pretty much zero, because they are all shitty and nobody leases or buys them.
Exactly my point.
But not quite the point that the other guy is trying to make.
I’d say the shittiest this site has gone to in the past few years was the dirty cheap Hornets, and that’s not a shitty car.
I understand his point, and of course realize why you don’t see any of those on LHer. They are not something 99.5% of LHer would lease or buy, but John Q. Public may see it differently.
As far as Hornets go, that was just a one-up on who could get the lowest payment at $0 DAS. Once you took delivery and drove it you wished you hadn’t played in the first place.
Many would call the Hornet a shitty car.
This gets repeated often but it doesn’t seem to be repeated by people who actually got one. Motor Trend and others rated the car quite well: Comparison Test! 2024 Dodge Hornet R/T vs. 2023 Toyota RAV4 Prime XSE
Love the Alfa version
I drove one so I could sample the Kool-Aid and found it to be quite awful in almost all respects.
To each their own.
I don’t follow your comment actually. Some have a ‘‘preference’’ but the need of transportation and economy might override their desire to get what they prefer.
I’ve considered a 2026 VW Atlas cross sport… However, it looks like VCI has lost its mind. Pretty much the same price for an Audi Q8… Thoughts?
I have leased and owned all kinds of VWs and Audis but have sort of given up on both.
With the exception of the GTI (that is still too highly priced), nothing makes sense between the two makes anymore for programs/prices, quality, new products and being something actually worth driving.
So much potential between VW/Audi as well so it is pretty sad.
What more do you need to know about VW with 100,000 global layoffs?
VW has rarely had good leases. Wrong brand to look at for leases.