# Suggestions? Stuck on negotiations **URL:** \ **Category:** Ask the Hackrs\ **Tags:** wi\ **Created:** [October 2, 2026, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346 "2026-10-02T00:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Teedeejay](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/teedeejay/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Teedeejay](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Teedeejay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/1 "2026-10-02T00:28:53Z")
Deal Check? Kia EV9 Wind trim. I’d hoped for closed to 7500 cash back after trading in on this one-pay. No sales tax in WI with trade value is a plus. And their offer on my trade-in is generous. But I was working with some outdated info: Kia no longer discounts MF on one-pay deals and residual came in a full 3 points below what I’d expected. Dealer resisted attempts to get further discount on MSRP before Kia rebates. Am I dead in the water? Don’t want to beat up the salesperson but I see plenty of deals under invoice on here.. ![Screenshot_20261001_192347_Gallery](https://leasehackr-assets.b-cdn.net/original/4X/6/e/2/6e227b6d35cd5644fd02e12a3246bff0fae747e5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![RoK](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/rok/32/265522_2.png) [@RoK](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/RoK)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 3:57am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/2 "2026-10-02T03:57:37Z")
How do you know you are getting fair value on your trade? ---
**Author:** ![Teedeejay](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/teedeejay/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Teedeejay](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Teedeejay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 4:59am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/3 "2026-10-02T04:59:26Z")
Higher that carmax guaranteed by 1500. 1000 under carvanas offer ---
**Author:** ![mllcb42](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/mllcb42/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@mllcb42](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/mllcb42)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 11:44am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/4 "2026-10-02T11:44:01Z")
> [@Teedeejay](#): > > residual came in a full 3 points below what I’d expected. How did you set your expectations here? The rv shouldn’t be a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![RoK](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/rok/32/265522_2.png) [@RoK](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/RoK)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 11:48am UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/5 "2026-10-02T11:48:15Z")
If Carvana came in higher, why not sell to Carvana. Separating 2 deals is always cleaner, especially if you get a higher price elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Teedeejay](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/teedeejay/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Teedeejay](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Teedeejay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 12:05pm UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/6 "2026-10-02T12:05:56Z")
If I do that i would pay sales tax with the dealer and actually end up net negative ---
**Author:** ![Teedeejay](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/letter_avatar/teedeejay/32/5_5575768a8748004e209b776fc1b2916d.png) [@Teedeejay](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/Teedeejay)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 12:07pm UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/7 "2026-10-02T12:07:12Z")
Yeah thats on me! I made a calculator in excel to play around and somehow pulled older mf and rv data. Seems both have shifted away from my favor in the last six months. ---
**Author:** ![max\_g](https://leasehackr.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/forum.leasehackr.com/max_g/32/9426_2.png) [@max\_g](https://forum.leasehackr.com/u/max_g)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/suggestions-stuck-on-negotiations/784346/8 "2026-10-02T15:23:39Z")
Move on. The discount is a joke.