Yep. But at “escalating” utility rates, may end up paying more.
These are all scams. Only way solar made sense was if you could just pay for it. Now under nem 3 it never makes sense. If I were buying a house in Ca without solar I would add solar but keep it off the grid on a dedicated electrical panel.
Yes, but this is not as easy as it seems when you are still connected to the utility unless you rewire everything, have battery backup and a generator that runs off of natural gas/LP/diesel/gasoline for good measure.
I got two solar companies to kinda price match each other and was quoted $18k for a 9.5kw system, so it priced out to be about$1.9/watt here in FL. Utilities here charges $0.16/kwh, so payback definitely isn’t nearly as quick as states like CA, but I’m certainly leaning towards getting it before the 30% tax credit expires.
You’re still connected to the grid it’s just one directional. No point of exporting when they give you nothing for it. You import (if needed) during off peak rates.
You would still have to do an interconnect agreement with the utility, even if it zero export. If you have batteries, maybe EV to charge during sun hours, you would only ever export what you don’t use or store right away. One difference might be that they won’t force you into TOU plan without NEM, but you would probably want to be on TOU with batteries and EV charging.
Yes, you still need the interconnect agreement. I think code requires it in CA even if “off the grid” as well.
No, see above.
Under two bucks a watt residential is great pricing. You can save a little GCing it yourself but at that price honestly isn’t even really worth bothering
KWH is production, what’s the actual wattage of the system? I know Alex, he’s a decent guy, and venture is one of the better companies in the nyc area to work with all things considered
For California residents who can do a double hack, there are incentives with GM Energy for solar, batteries, and a bi directional solutions… that have synergy discounts with GM EV’s.
Schedule a call with a GM Energy consult and they can give you way more details.
Triple bonus- PG&E in California has a pilot going on to get the 80amp bidirectional EVSE for free - including installation and permitting. Then you can participate in demand response events with your vehicle to possibly make about $1k per year.
So if you don’t already have PV + ESS on your home and want to go full-crazy with GM, you can get a EV rebate plus discounted GM Energy. I can’t participate since I have Tesla gear.
@z0lt3c could never.
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It’s only for California residents?
The GM Energy + GM EV stuff seems open to anyone in the USA.
The pilot for PG&E to test vehicle to grid demand response is California-only.
but it’s GM……..
Booked.
is it battery+ev charger+inverter , or entire solar system? do you have any more details? I can do solar (without battery) if they have a good cheap reliable solution.
The GM Energy solution is inverter, battery, gateway, load center changes and the bidirectional EV charger. And they own permitting and interconnection. GM Energy would definitely warranty this equipment.
GM Energy will contract out the solar panels, racking, and home run to the inverter.
I’m not sure how the warranty works for the solar, roof leaks, or if they have a PPA lease vs buy option for the solar portion.
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This might finally be the push I need to expand my NJ solar setup with powerwalls
Quote is for a 27 kw system. It’s double what I pay in VT, but that is a utility subsidized arrangement.
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Lol I want to see Powerwall Hackr score and the 1% rule for MWh LTV
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BTW Powerwalls warranty is only 10 years.
If you do a 12 year lease then you’ll need a warranty extension from @thevolvoguy .
I think the play would be to exercise the buyout at year 5, but it’s unclear what that buyout maybe. Especially with the 3% annual escalator. It’s pretty much junk financing combined with overpriced installation, but I still want it.
As someone who went full-dumbass getting all Tesla stuff. Please don’t get the Powerwall.
I would take the GM Energy solution over the Tesla solution in a heartbeat right now. Being able to participate in demand response with V2X / V2G with a vehicle would make the car almost free lol.
200 kWh in an Escalade @ 80A vs 30 kWh in 2 Powerwall 3’s @ 40A. You know which one you want.
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