Most of the time the advertised price includes some in-house financing incentive. So the $30K price for example includes a $2500 rebate if you finance. If you don’t finance, you don’t get the $2500. And leasing isn’t the same as financing. Now there could well be a $2500 lease incentive, but it could only be $1500 or $1000 or whatever.
Even though logically it shouldn’t make a difference, since leasing is still a sale of the car, the incentives are not usually the same, and hence, the price isn’t the same.
(I’m having problems posting in the forum – trying to reply with my post to see if I’m allowed. Sorry it’'s a bit off topic)
Hi there,
Here’s what’s happening. The dealer sold my father a car and said they couldn’t find the original sticker. The dealer presented what they claimed was a copy of the original sticker, and made representations about the quality of the car. My father leased the car.
At home my father found the original sticker hidden in the car. It showed the the sticker he received had been changed to remove MOBILITY VEHICLE - NOT FOR RETAIL SALE.
This was a little concerning, to say the least.
The bottom line is that I think the dealer will renegotiate a bit to make this problem go away. I am attaching the lease deal he got.
If someone can tell me what the best deal he could get was – with the dealer making $0 – that would be helpful. (I’m not saying a dealer should make $0, I’m just saying it would be good to know what he’s starting with).
Thank you in advance. I’d be happy to compensate you for your time – directly or a donation to your favorite charity. I don’t like feeling like as my parents age they may get taken advantage of, and I worry that’s what has happened here.
It must be a loaner with virtually zero miles. They usually do that to fake sales volume and also makes it possible for them to discount it more. Although in this case there is not much of a discount.
They cannot lease or sell it I’d think, this is why they hid the sticker. No idea how Audi would approve this lease. Void the deal and get another car.
Here’s a thread from AudiWorld with 2 other people running into similar vehicles. Seems like they were to be used as loaners, but the dealer can still sell/lease it.
My dad likes this car. He doesn’t like being misled, or lied to, etc. In this case, I think the dealer is going to get him a new car and renegotiate the lease.
So the question is what should he pay on the new lease? What is the best deal he could get? (Or am I in the wrong forum?)
I definitely think what they did was shady, and bad karma. It may be against the manufacturer rules. It may be against the law, a violation of civil code, fraud, etc.
But, he does love the car. I just want to help him get treated as properly as possible.
He might want to contact corporate and get them on their asses.
In this case, it’s plausible to say that corporate might’ve offered the dealer incentives to provide the loaner cars by giving the dealer a discounted price on the vehicles with stipulations. However, the dealer just took advantage of the program and sold the cars without utilizing them as loaners. It is also illegal to sell a vehicle without the original sticker. @Jon@tvcham
Interesting. Thanks Chris. I tried to do a little research and didn’t find anywhere that it said it was illegal to not have the original sticker. I imagine that must happen from time to time - sticker gets ripped, lost, wet, etc?
Thanks! I read about Monroney last night. But didn’t see that the original had to be on the car. It does make sense from a consumer protection standpoint – else this kind of thing would happen.
“Although in this case there is not much of a discount.” Can you explain what you mean? I’m not familiar with lease terms. What would a great discount be? Is it a discount on the price or on the lease %, or both?
It’s not about loaners, just check the link I posted:
Audi is pleased to announce that we are continuing the Mobility Assistance Program for handicap hand controls that are installed on any qualifying Audi model. We will also consider other types of handicap assists (or other approved handicap assistance devices.) to anyone who purchases or leases a new Audi or CPO Audi vehicle. All exception requests from dealers should be made directly to mobilityassistance@audi.com.
Discount on the price off MSRP. You should negotiate purchases/leases with the same approach, trying to get the the best sales price/cap cost before any incentives.
They’re messing with him and hoping he goes away, I think. He’s not. He takes my kids around in this car, so at a minimum he’s worried that they sold him a car with something wrong with it that he should know about. But more likely: they’re just greedy and got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.