Why has anyone not mentioned the xc90?
The XC90 is the smallest 3 row suv you can buy. They are looking for FULL size.
Honestly a chevy traverse would fill their needs better than a xc90
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Wait and buy 2025 Kia Carnival.
If the kids are old enough to be in boosters in the third row, then a MDX Type S is a better choice based on the OP’s comments
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Thanks for the suggestions everyone, but I really am just looking at full-size SUVs.
Kids are still in car seats and I need a lot of space for kids, grandparents and family hauling. So only interested in the full-size category and definitely not minivans 
Had a rented pacifica for a few months doing some vehicle testing for a work thing, thought it was a big joke at first…but really appreciated the thing by the end of having it for a few months.
-comfortable
-so much space
-sliding doors easy to get in and out of / not projectiles for your kid to wing open at all unsuspecting parked cars next to you
Don’t sleep on the minivan!
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What is your budget? Are you looking to lease or finance a new vehicle? The Yukon is not going to be a good lease candidate. X7 and GLS won’t be cheap leases either. Probably $1k+/ month with upfronts at signing for a lease. Check out the Marketplace for broker deals in your region.
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Budget would be up to 80K. Needs to be 4WD, Captains chairs etc. Doesn’t need to be an XL or Max variant. Ideally something that I could keep for 5+ years.
Out of curiosity, why don’t the Yukons, Expeditions, Tahoes etc. lease well? What is the factor that makes them poor lease candidates? The residual? They’re very popular so it’s not a lack of interest.
If you’re leasing, MSRP doesn’t always have a correlation to lease payment. A $90k Infiniti QX80 is going to lease a hell of a lot better than an $80k Yukon.
Are you looking to buy or lease?
A lease is a cycle for the OEM, unlike a standalone transaction such as a sale. They need to be able to profitably dispose of the cars that get returned.
Sending them all to auction is expensive when you start adding up transportation costs and fees. And dumping them all at auction would just depress values and increase your losses. So a strong lease program requires a strong CPO program. Which is something most brands don’t have.
NTM the brands that got burned with hundreds of millions of dollars of losses from lease returns during the financial crisis, they’ve been gun shy ever since. And specific to domestic trucks, they don’t need even need to try very hard to make sales—so many cultural forces are working for them: blind brand loyalty, male insecurities, increasing female adoption, the stereotypical American mentality of buying a Sub when expecting your first kid or having a truck just in case you need to move a couch, the mythology of feeling strong just by sitting up high in a big vehicle, etc etc.
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If they are popular (high demand) then the prices should be high.
MR=MC
A lot to unpack there but thanks!
Still not sure I understand from an economic point of view - in today’s market - why an Expedition wouldn’t lease well but an XC90 (picking a common lease vehicle) would. An XC90 is similar in price to the Expedition, Ford has a solid CPO program and both have less than stellar rankings in most quality metrics. In terms of the variables, both Ford and Volvo’s finance arms would have similar funding rates for lease financing. I know there’s a lot of other factors at play, but it seems like either the demographic (e.g. people who want to hold vehicles for longer than 3 years), outright demand, or residuals/depreciation make the difference.
Anyway, I would buy or lease but I’ve stated an 80K ceiling as a buyer because all I’ve ever heard on LH is that ‘fullsize’ don’t lease well.
Check out Marketplace for an EQS SUV. I just leased a EQS 450 for under $500/month with 3.5k drive offs + MSDs.
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Thanks, but are they fullsize? I’m not up-to-date with MBs models, but always thought the GLS was the largest SUV MB offer
How is any of this info helpful? Was it new or a loaner? What was the MSRP? What was the pre-incentive discount? What were your mileage terms? Was the monthly pre or post tax?
I’d consider it the smallest full size SUV. They’re right at 201 inches long with a 2 or 3 row configuration available. Tons of incentives right now. $100k+ cars leasing for under $500 is pretty rare!
Sorry, I’m fairly new here.
113k MSRP - new
19% off before incentives
AMEX fleet + EV lease credit
Max MSDs
7.5k/24
$488 post tax
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Thanks. That seems like a great deal, congrats.
I didn’t realize ‘fullsize’ was such a blurred area these days because in my head it’s always been Yukon/Suburban/Tahoe/Expedition/Sequoia, but I’m probably looking at the Sequoia length (208 inches+) at a minimum.
Congrats on your EQS deal. 19% off is pretty solid. You did well. I’ve seen some brokers advertise 17% off MSRP on new 2023 units.
Back on topic.
TL;DR You need a minivan. Next best option in my biased opinion would be the new Sequoia.
I had a 2023 Honda Odyssey but decided to get full size do-it-all SUV with 3 rows for a family of 4 with room for grand parents. Budget was 80-100k . Test drove a bunch of vehicles and by process of elimination (and fate I guess) I ended up with the Sequoia TRD Pro.
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GMC Yukon XL/Suburban/Escalade
This was my #1 choice. Rented it a couple of times and loved the roomy interior. I didn’t mind the 6.2L engine and thought it was adequate. I’m a euro car guy at heart and have never really liked domestic brands but was willing to give this a shot but the price (Yukon XL Denali Ultimate) poor reliability and depreciation scared me away. Didn’t even bother with the full size Fords and Chryslers. -
BMW X7/Merc GLS
My #2 choice only because it was smaller than the American triplets. Merc was uninspiring to drive and unnecessarily expensive. X7 was more engaging to drive but the third row was slightly smaller than the GLS and not really meant for adults for long journeys. Between these two I would’ve chosen the X7 due to driving dynamics and the sweet B58 engine but the resale value sucks for both and having other depreciation kings in my garage I didn’t feel like adding another one. -
Infiniti QX80/Armada
Very comfortable but dated interior. Almost reminded me of a boat because it looked and drove like one. Hated the lazy transmission. The boring drive and poor transmission logic were deal breakers for me. -
Sequoia TRD Pro/LX600
It was an impulse buy as I was offered one at MSRP when the going rate for them was 10k+ ADM. I didn’t like the compromised cargo capacity behind the third row because of the hybrid battery setup. The seats are firm and not that comfortable. Its not full time AWD, so that sucks too. Small gas tank and with the piss poor mileage it gets, I’m having to fill up quite frequently.
That said, it has more power than I know what to do with in an SUV this size. Pulls like a freight train because of the hybrid power. Supposed to be excellent off road (TRD Pro Version). The suspension is soft and soaks up bumps with aplomb. Great tech and reliable!. Resale value is excellent. If the LX600 offered the same iForce engine the sequoia has then I probably would’ve chosen that. I would’ve compromised on roominess for the sake of luxury, AWD and made in Japan status. Hope this helps.
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