I know leasehacking itself isnt what it used to be, and the market now is a nightmare, and blah blah blah. But I can’t be the only one frustrated at the marketplace listings that have economy cars pricing listed as “300/month, 10K, 3000 DAS” or some variant. The ENTIRE DAMN POINT of leasehacker is that we’re trying to get the best deals because leases can be hacked by both sides. And the very first thing you learn when you get into this is that you never put any money down when you lease, because in the event of an accident or total loss, you can’t recoup that money.
Listing any cost as “Due at signing” is inherently fraudulent, since it’s just a way to show a lower monthly payment.
This isn’t a place where we hide the money by shifting it around. The thing we’re tryna do is stop shitty middle men and dealers from getting over on ppl by shifting money around. It goes against the entire site to see listing after listing with thousands of dollars required at signing.
Every post on this site with posted rates should be with first month payment due at signing, and that’s all.
I tend to write quotes with $xxxx down+first unless the client specifically asks for minimum outlay (usually just first at signing unless title and license also reqd at sign by specific dealer…)
I don’t hide what’s in the recipe and will gladly show my work when asked.
The biggest issue, as I see it, is you CAN’T advertise a monthly that includes all taxes and fees because those vary by state. What is $0 DAS and $499/mo in NJ could be $529/mo in NY thanks to taxes. So the only way to level the playing field is to give a monthly PLUS taxes and fees DAS.
My middle ground has worked for us just fine. Again. I don’t hide anything and am happy to show my work and do whatever structure the client wants as long as it conforms with my selling stores’ policy.
I don’t think anybody is trying to hide anything, everybody makes payment structuring decisions for different reasons, doesn’t make those reasons wrong. Ultimately, it’s not that hard to convert DAS into an effective payment and anybody with leasing experience has pretty much figured out how to normalize terms.
Yeah I always request quotes with $0 DAS (and generally don’t pay anything at signing) when I’m deal hunting. It’s the only way to do apples to apples comparisons when working out a deal.
you didn’t rebut the premise, just quibbled that the math isn’t always the same for a total loss scenario. which, okay, maybe there’s some variations. would you put $5K down on your next lease? i’d bet 5K that you don’t. because it’s bad finance. hence, my post.
the premise, fyi, is that hiding money with DAS cost is bullshit that dealers and brokers use with the general public, but here on lease hacker we know better, and thus listings on this site should be structured in accordance.