EV cars future (5-10 years)

Some people don’t care what their car looks like if it lasts forever and is cheap to operate.

People who truly love wine often won’t understand why I don’t. For one thing, my palate can really only discern the difference between “drinkable” and “toilet cleaner.”

When house shopping, within certain limits I also don’t care that much about how the outside looks, which baffles a lot of people. Exteriors are either “hideous” or “I could live there.”

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/federal-government-might-actually-close-153000375.html

A Volkswagen ID.4 EV with a current 380.6 MPGe under CAFE would get 107.4 MPGe under the DOE proposal, while a Ford F-150 EV drops from 237.1 to 67.1 MPGe and Chrysler Pacifica plug-in hybrid falls from 88.2 to 59.5 MPGe.

The Natural Resources Defense Council and Sierra Club petitioned for the change in 2021, arguing “excessively high imputed fuel economy values for EVs means that a relatively small number of EVs will mathematically guarantee compliance without meaningful improvements in the real-world average fuel economy of automakers’ overall fleets.”

What stellar journalism… talks about the lightning dropping from 237 mpge to 67 mpge, but the lightning is already rated at 76 city/61 highway. Where is the 237 mpge value coming from? Seems like if one is going to write an article about differences in standards and closing some loophole, one might at least toss in a sentence or two about why there is a difference.

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But the fuel efficiency numbers that NHTSA calculates are much higher than the actual efficiency you or I might experience, or the numbers posted by the EPA for consumers to make buying decisions.

your confusing EPA number with NHTSA numbers that consumers dont see.

Which was literally my whole point. If one is going to write an article lambasting the mpge loophole because of some big difference in rating schemes, one should discuss what the difference is.

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See, that’s at least a much better attempt by a journalist to do their job. At least they cover what the difference is… now if someone tackled the “why” the difference we might be getting somewhere.

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Interesting that Group14 CEO thinks that small EV planes will be the future, per his interview with Time last fall.

Porsche is investing in SCC55 bigtime, not sure if this will really be transformational in the EV space or not:

Batteries aren’t energy dense enough yet to make commercial aviation practical.

Just like with fossil fuels you get to a point where carrying more batteries becomes moot because your power demand overtakes your added capacity.

With this Ford and now GM partnership with Tesla, this is the tipping point of EVs.

Fast charging technology is getting faster to the point of ICE-like fueling and as the charging network builds out and EV prices come down… the next 5-10 years look good.

But enough of these EX30 mini cars… get me that EV9 or Ioniq 7 at a subvented lease. :slight_smile:

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Look at Rivian, you can get R1S but the battery is massive 130kwh.
You’d get decent range but your charging times are going to be massive unless you find perfect 350kw charger.

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I’m dreaming of that Chinese 5 minute charge time.

Or the 5 minute battery swap. :slight_smile:

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Battery swap tech is such a waste of time. By the time swaps can become mainstream, solid state battery tech will make them useless.

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Seems like there is a ton of infrastructure issues even before battery charging evolution like standardization, materials/cost for the spare batteries etc etc.

The best application for this might be fleet use but even then, they can do overnight charging.

I guess I would be better off wishing for fast solar… or wind charging. :slight_smile:

I used to think long range wasn’t necessary because most can just overnight charge at home so 100-200mil EVs in the $25k range would work… but that leaves out a whole percentage of people who can’t charge at home/work so infrastructure for Fast (not just Level 2) charging really needs to ramp up.

Gas stations need to get on board and start building 4-pod/8-pod chargers or they are going to end up like drive-thru dairies.

While the media has been talking crap on Toyota, they have been grinding away on solid state batteries with Panasonic. Solid state batteries for commercial use as early as 2027-28. This will change the industry. Up to 932 mile range.

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With more manufacturers turning to NACS and announcing cars coming in 24/25 will have that built in.
Also chargePoint switching away from CCS

If you’re keeping long term, does it even make sense to buy any new car that does not have NACS built in?
I have an EV lease which I was planning to buy out but now I fear the value will plummet in 2 years when general public realizes that car is going to be very hard to charge on the go

The sky isn’t falling,
There will be adapters.

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I think the bigger risk is that the value will plummet as battery tech improves and range/efficiency improves. Also, if you are concerned about the value in 2 years, why are you buying out? May as well lease another vehicle.

My lease expires in 2024 March. So I still have about 9 months to wait.