Dealer playing games? - 2024 Equinox EV - Louisiana

MSRP: $43,295
Selling Price: $38,295—was $38,795 (took off an additional 500 since they are not signed up with the GM credit card offer… they claim anyway…)
Doc Fee: $398.50

I am not eligible for any other incentives like conquest or loyalty.

Now here is where my confusion comes in, they sent me a paper saying MF was .0016% but GM does not use % for MF. The base rate according to Edmunds should been .00060 so roughly 1.44% APR not 3.8%.

My wife and I are both co-signing on the lease, she has a score right above 700, and mine is in the low 600s but I have the income. So maybe this is the reason the rate is higher but from what I read GM does not use a dual scoring system they use the highest score for the base rate.

Seems like they are using a third party to do the lease with the dealer getting a kickback and me paying the price Was that the only way the lease would be approved I am not so sure about that.

More so even using the rate they gave me. The closest I got to monthly they quoted me of $505 was about $450. So seems to me they are not disclosing something added to the total cost.

What is most frustrating about this whole process is friend of mine, knows the district sales of Chevy in the area. So I hit him up seemed like a cool dude who got me in touch with one of the dealers. I was hoping I could avoid some dealer bs going through him as a contact but I have a feeling I am running into just that.

GM uses % APR for MF, they convert it into MF by dividing by 2400. It’s very simple. They’re marking it tf up :laughing:

How does this compare to the deals that @ChevyCoach is offering in the marketplace? They’re next door in TX so it’s prob worth at least looking into.

Also, we see “friend” deals turn out to not be that good often enough. Most salespeople, though not all, would rather make an extra $750 and lose a friend than the other way around.

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I did not read this entirely. Mot much time.
Where are Your rebates?
Do not get me wrong but Equinox EV deal is all about rebates. If You have none of them you should look for different car.

Does GM not even offer a $7500 lease credit Federal Tax credit?

GM decided to bump RV instead.

The .0016% is a mistake and should be stated as .00160. I’ve seen this many times as have others yet, no one has corrected it. Whoever designed the worksheet is ignorant. You are correct, GMF does NOT use an interest rate, they use a money factor. There is no conversion involved.

Don’t waste time trying to decipher a dealer’s worksheet or chasing after them. Otherwise, you’re allowing them to control the deal. They often omit a lot of relevant detail such as money factor, monthly base payment, monthly contractual payment, fees not itemized and even make mistakes. You need to rely on credible outside sources (e.g., LH marketplace and signed deals, Edmunds, etc.). Do your own research and establish a reasonable selling price in your market. Be sure to get a copy of the factory window sticker. Check for non-factory add-ons or dealer-installed options. And, if possible, eliminate those you don’t need or want. Get a list of all customer and dealer rebates/incentives including VIN#-specific discounts/incentives, if any. And, yes, the dealer has such a list.

The only thing useful about dealer lease worksheets is the input data. All data should be vetted such as acquisition fee, doc fee (regulated by some states), cost of money (e.g., money factor), gov fees, residual, rebates/incentives, sales tax rate, etc. Make sure the residual matches the term and annual mileage requirement. Check available tax credits/incentives via the fund provider who may cover taxes or, at minimum, may assess a lower sales tax rate to energize sales for some models (e.g., Texas).

Organize all relevant data in tabular format with the goal of creating a lease proposal that reflects your target deal. The idea is to create your own target deal (proposal), not replicate the dealer’s deal.

Craft a lease proposal (example below … this is an Ohio lease… the round hole, round peg will not work) and email it to the sales manager (SM), not a floor salesperson as they’re often order takers and lack knowledge.

All numbers should be accurate otherwise, you’ll lose credibility. Negotiate via phone/email. Once an agreement is reached, ask the dealer for a review copy of the lease agreement and all contract addenda BEFORE you go to the dealer and sign. Moreover, it’s helpful to know the terms and conditions of the lease contract such as early termination liability criteria and purchase option criteria as well as lease amortization methodology and excess wear/tear criteria. If all is as agreed, tell the SM that you’ll come in to sign right away. You don’t want any surprises or dealer excuses like …. Oh, we made a mistake. That’s unacceptable and shouldn’t be tolerated.

If the dealer isn’t transparent or is uncooperative or showing signs of incompetence, WALK AWAY AND MOVE ON!

Leasing is time-consuming and requires a good deal of study and attention to detail. If you don’t have the time to commit, perhaps your best alternative is a good broker. There are some outstanding brokers on this website. However, if you’re willing to commit your time and resources, always control the deal. That can only be achieved with education which breeds confidence and increases the likelihood of success.

??? Let me know.

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It is supposed to be already factored into the residual is how GM does it apparently

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I did message him but he only has RS Available .

This is what I am starting to think , I am not eligible for loyalty, conquest, or healthcare/first responders rebates. Costco one expired Think at end of December.

Thought though with 12% discount, high residual and low MF chevy has on them I could still get a good deal

Yeah so Ive been doing a ton of research into this and from my conversations on phone with dealer I made it pretty clear I knew what I was talking about.

But seems they still trying to pull a fast one.

I was driving when they called me after I got my credit pulled and they put the deal together.

I should of asked more questions but then asked well send me over all the information so I can look it over.

They preceded to only send me this…

https://imgur.com/a/F2T6aSU

So i had to message sales manager what is selling price? What other fees are there?
The taxes?

He sent me text on saturday

MSRP $43,295

Selling price $38,295

Doc fee $398.50

Taxes are paid monthly, roughly
$50.00 a month”

I was out with friends for weekend so I didn’t start looking at it a lot more closely until last night.

But yeah for me to have to ask for this information again when they could sent it all over in first place is very concerning.

I only worked a deal with this dealer cause of the contact I had, its farther away for me and my local area has ones just like it for same price. The Evs dont sell down here

I am not stepping foot into the dealer until I see the paperwork and if they dont want to do that, they can kick rocks

I second talking to ChevyCoach and seeing if he can offer something better. I haven’t researched this model enough to be able to say if it’s a great deal, but getting the runaround is always concerning.

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@Justb kind of skimmed through everything and got a good idea of what you’re going through. Decided to throw together a quote for the 2RS I have available and you can see the lease calculator below for it. Looks like it’ll be less than the 2LT that they’re offering you. But it sounds like they’re upping the MF which is why they’re able to lower the sells price of the vehicle…because they’re making up that loss in the backend of the deal. Also, we’re signed up for the GM Credit card offer so we can give you the $500 rebate :wink: Also from our conversation, you were definitely eligible for conquest as long as that vehicle you mentioned to me is registered to your current address.

If you have any questions or even want to take the offer let me know. Always happy to help!

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Can you confirm the Tax Credit is already factored into the residual? I’m seeing mixed answers on this, the $7,500 does not go towards the selling price of the vehicle, right?

In another way instead of GM just giving you $7500 off the vehicle through the tax credit with a lower residual. They just inflated the residual instead of putting the 7500 directly on the deal ?

GM is weird and I don’t understand why they’re doing things the way they are across their different brands but for GMC the dealer has to manually enter the $7500 tax credit into the residual, but for Chevrolet it’s automatically calculated into the residual.

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This is the correct answer. Hacking begins with choosing the most hackable car given your circumstances

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I have been looking at other vehicles but most the others are same or more a month for less expensive vehicles. Just example but like a Crosstreck does not lease very well. The Chevy selling price maybe 10k more but no tax credit with cross trek and residuals are a lot lower, base money factors a lot higher so crosstrek ends up being more or about the same.

It is not a bad deal; it is just too much car for my budget. Need to be looking at something below 40k for sure. Why I was looking at 2LT 2024, with dealer discounts can get there.

I understand. What’s your budget that you’re trying to stay in?

Well assuming .00060 MF from what Edmund’s forums told me.

Thought I could get a lease deal on 2LT in the 300s for a monthly. I know you had AWD LT but that just added cost to vehicle I don’t really need.

I found 2LT for 38,628 selling price, dealer discount is $5,267 off MSRP